SR540Beaver

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DLister, It will return once they work out how to keep it safeguarded.

DLister, It will return once they work out how to keep it safeguarded.

A sticky topic always appears at the top of the list so it is more noticable. In many forums I frequent, the board rules are usually in a sticky.

Slow response time is always frustrating regardless of where it happens. Please do keep in mind that Scouter.com is a FREE service provided out of a love for Scouting. We are probably never going to see lightening fast response time.

Look, I have my gripes about how national and local councils operate as much as the next scouter. But the BSA is between a rock and a hard place right now. It's obvious......at least to me....that the possible change in policy is financially driven. BSA has always enjoyed support by the business community. Many of those businesses are politcally correct because to do otherwise would make them a target of activists just like the BSA. So in order to keep vocal customers happy, said businesses start telling the BSA that until they change their traditional ways, they can no longer support the

Felicitations and salutations!

I do note that President Obama seems emboldened to finally state his views since he has no other higher office to run for or be reelected to. Too bad he was unwilling to have the courage of his convictions until now.

Are there any ultra or mega mods?

Sentinel: "What can the gay/atheist lobby sue a Charter Org for? Discrimination? The Dale decision is still the law of the land. A private organization, which all Charter Organizations are, can set their membership policy. A group that were to sue a Charter Org would lose that suit." Yes, for discrimination. Of course they would lose in the short term. But just like the BSA, the constant pick, pick, picking at CO's will have a cumulative effect. The CO has to put up with picketers, negative media attention and pay for legal counsel that takes money away from their purpose and mission.

On one hand, I think the "local option" is the best way to approach this. On the other hand, I think the "local option" is a cowardly move by national. The local option puts the unit (actually the CO) at risk of legal action. I am not anti-gay, so please don't take what I'm about to say wrong. Many in the LGBT movement have a chip on their shoulder. They've grinded away at national and sponsors of BSA until they have gotten BSA to reconsider their ban. Do we honestly think that when a CO who happens to have the "hottest, best" troop in the whole council continues their ban that someone i

Beavah - "I'm not sure why this is so hard to grok, but let me try to make it simple and bold. If a boy cannot perform the skill six months later then he was never proficient in the first place. Your test failed. Yeh signed him off when yeh shouldn't have. You blew it. You let the boy down by not givin' him da real Scouting program." Yah, I'm not sure why this is hard for you to grok, perhaps I'm not usin' da correct accent, eh? Thank you for finally agreeing with me when I said, "If SM's are signing off when a boy is not proficient, that is on the adult and the program. If boys are not

OGE - "Beavah, if you are going to mention me and my "position", could you at least try to accurately represent it?" I'm going to have to second that. Me: Imagine a college student in his second semester of his senior year. Before he can graduate, he has to be retested on every course he took the previous seven semesters. Would you pass? Beavah: Well, I reckon some of us had to take da Bar Exam, testin' us on all da courses of all three years of law school. I reckon other folks here had to take medical board exams, eh? Other folks who have gone through business school will tell

Jblake47 - "Right now we are so gun shy that we don't even dare "re-test" at the BOR's. Why not? Do the kids know this stuff or not? If not, why are they advancing? " Imagine a college student in his second semester of his senior year. Before he can graduate, he has to be retested on every course he took the previous seven semesters. Would you pass? Do the grades he made in each of those classes mean nothing?

Oh my gosh, I find it humorous that so many of our big government, nanny state liberals here are suddenly wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the thought of sticking their hand in the taxpayer's pockets! LOL Sadly, very few actually addressed what I have said. I am not proposing that the federal government spend $10B to put a guard in every school accross America. If you think I did, you are welcome to find the post and quote it. But for an administration that borrows 40 cents for every dollar spent, wants to increase taxes and refuses to entertain any spending cuts,

Beavah: "Again, SR540, how are yeh goin' to pay for it?" Really? I've answered it twice. I'm sorry you don't like the answer. Go back and read it until you understand it. "The local school systems determine the level of security and how to pay for it." For example: "The Oklahoma City Police Department provides school resource officers to each of the district's high schools within Oklahoma City limits." "The Putnam City School District has high schools in three municipalities, but the Putnam City Schools Campus Police provide resource officers to all high schools."

According to the FBI, in 2011 there were 323 murdered by rifle (the category "assault" rifles falls into). There were 496 murdered by blunt objects such as hammers and clubs and 1,694 murdered by knives and other cutting instruments. Unless the hammer and knife lobby is influencing legislators, why isn't there a call to study hammer and knife safetysafety? http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

I was course director for our fall NYLT course this last year. While Lance had not yet fessed up, it was pretty much a forgone conclusion. Like OGE said, you do the best with what you got. We rolled with it and never looked back. I can tell you from staffing numerous WB and NYLT courses, some material gets dated and I've never heard an excuse for why BSA isn't more quick to update materials. But I'm not telling anyone anything they didn't already know.

It happened on my side of town Barry, but I think the rabblerousers infiltrated from your side. Keep your riffraff up north.

Beavah, then it must be a comprehension issue. On Friday, 1/18/2013 at 2:43:52 PM I suggested that, "The local school systems determine the level of security and how to pay for it." You are the one who thinks it will take a $10B federal program to train and equip guards. I'm sure it would if you take the usual inefficient federal bureaucracy approach. Local schools understand their needs and how to address them much better than someone sitting in Washington. In OKC, Oklahoma City Police are used, not some rent-a-cop. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-school-board-member-questions-studen

Beavah, I suggest you read my post for content.

Venividi - "SR540Beaver wrote: Beavah, the 23,800 schools that currently supply armed guards today do not do so with federal funds. SR540, I'm not getting the point that you are trying to make. Those guards you mention do not work for free. It doesn't matter if they are paid for with federal funds, state funds, or local funds. It's still tax dollars (or borrowed dollars for which taxpayers which will need to be paid by taxpayers in the future)." I don't think you are either. I went to Oklahoma City Schools and graduated in 1975. We had OKC policemen in our schools. Fast forward t

Far too many strawmen to try knocking them all down. Beavah, the 23,800 schools that currently supply armed guards today do not do so with federal funds. The local school systems determine the level of security and how to pay for it. Where you got the idea that each individual child will have to have their own personal guard is beyond me. My son's security is just as important to me as the president children are to him, regardless of the threat level they each live with. I'd venture to say you value your own child's life too and want them to be safe and protected. If Sandy Hook taugh

Sorry Beavah, but you are dead wrong. I hope as a scouter, you've never told a parent that their child won't be treated with the same care and respect because they aren't as important as another child in the troop. Sandy Hook wasn't high risk......until it was. Tomorrow, it could be the school, church, theater, etc. around the corner from you. We have an armed guard down in the lobby of my downtown building. Most other buildings do too. It isn't an inconvenience. Be prepared. It's the smart thing to do.