SctDad

Shortridge Your cubs need shaving cream. Just kidding. Also for the purpose of the information. This resident camp is going to be at the local summer camp. They are taking one week and letting the Cubs use the camp and the other weeks are for the BS units. THere are going to be a lot of things there, but I am looking for a good list of what we should have there for everyone. Thanks for the idea of the Adult program materials. I am guessing that you are saying Leader Books, BALOO Books and stuff like that. and maybe program helps if they are out by then.

I am looking for some suggestions. If you were asked as to what should be in a trading post, during a Cub Scout and Webelos Resident Camp, what items would you like to see in the trading post. What uniforms parts, books and other program items. Leader training books, Beltloop cards, things like that. Lets get a list going.

When it comes to the boys being able to say the Cub Scout Promise and the Law of the pack, jmwalston is right, the parents sign off when they say that the boy is knowledgable. Memorizing it is hard enough, but if they can do it with some coaching or as a group, then it is good to go. Not to mention they will get it memorized over the year. We were doing the 'living circle' and when I asked the boys to say the law of the pack, only one boy could say it (my son of course, probably because I ask him all the time to repeat it). I told them that they needed to learn it, because they all had (except one) their bobcat badge. So to help them out my son led them in a repeat after me manner. But if they are able to tell you with a little help and they KNOW what it means, then I would be happy. I guess that I also have to go through and work with all my cubs again.

When it comes to the boys being able to say the Cub Scout Promise and the Law of the pack, jmwalston is right, the parents sign off when they say that the boy is knowledgable. Memorizing it is hard enough, but if they can do it with some coaching or as a group, then it is good to go. Not to mention they will get it memorized over the year. We were doing the 'living circle' and when I asked the boys to say the law of the pack, only one boy could say it (my son of course, probably because I ask him all the time to repeat it). I told them that they needed to learn it, because they all had (except one) their bobcat badge. So to help them out my son led them in a repeat after me manner. But if they are able to tell you with a little help and they KNOW what it means, then I would be happy. I guess that I also have to go through and work with all my cubs again.

Go to the Scoutiing.org and type press release in the search bar. I think that is what you are looking for. If you are looking for more information, try searching press release, because that is essentially what you have.

In response to ScoutNut OUr summercamp has posted the flyer stating that while they do RECOMMEND parents attend, the only requirements are 2 deep leadership and a HIGHLY RECOMMENDED 5:1 ratio of Cubs:Adults. When they are moving from station to station they will be in rank/age appropriate groups. Wolves with wolves, bears with bears. The next part of camp will be for Webelos I and II. So if the staff has the Cubs attention and they are all working together, then if one of the registered leaders has the oppurtunity, then why not try to train them. Our camp prices are as follows. $105 for the boy and $45 for the adult. I saw an oppurtunity when someone mentioned it and presented it to the camp director. He thought it was a good idea. Especially considering our district has some serious training issues. If someone has come and paid for summercamp (BTW the camp is 4 days and 3 Nights), why not try to get some training in for the registered leaders. Thank you for the training ideas that have been given so far. I look foward to seeing some more come through today.

As I stated in the other thread I like the idea that baschram645 brought up. So what I am looking for is some suggestions for training while the Cubs are at the resident camp activities. Just as an example: While the Cubs are at Handycraft Have the parents that are present help keep an eye on the Cubs, and have the Registered leaders go to an area that is nearby to get their required youth protection. Another thing that I could use for suggestions is what other training woudl you like to see. I will be reviewing the course outline from the Cub Leader Training books and looking at the time frames. Once I get some good information I will present this to the director again with the new info.

We talked about the upcoming weekend for the Webelos Last night at our chapter meeting. We decided that since there has been a lacking of advertising for the UoS that we are going to have our OA weekend that date. I have to agree with a lot of the others in that it is a general thought that the Uos will be a bust due to lack of promotion. The only mention is on the council calander. baschram645 I like your idea with combining the training while the boys are doing thier activities. I talked with one of the program coordinators and he like the idea too. Asked me to try to come up with some suggestions for the time frames and training plans. I will spin a new thread for that one though.

OK somethig that I think that may be a little misunderstood. THe Cubs do not have final say. WHat we are looking for is should I let them help in the planning of the meals to help with getting everyone eating at camp. Not the boys are not going to eat hotdogs all weekend. But if they want em for lunch or something that is fine. Oatmeal is OK for breakffast, but what else. I was looking for suggestions on how to let them give input into choosing the meals.

I picked up two DO's at a local place. One 14" and one 10". They both cost $14 each. We did stock up on some things like the oatmeal in the packets for emergencies. We also made up a decent staple product supply. But our vegitarian loves the pancakes that we make. He just leaves out the sausage. I was thinking about a Vegie Lasagna.

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Yes BW you are right, I really should put the parents to the fire. But I have had at least 2 parents tell me that they do not cook at home. They both have their parents cook for them. Unless it is plain pasta and sauce. Yes, I know that sounds like it is way out there, but it is true. I had one parent tell me that she did not cook. She said that she would be willing to learn to cook on a campfire to help her son. So we have worked around that. But some of the parents would rather run to McD's instead of trying to learn to cook. Bad part is, when we go to the campground this spring, the nearest eatery is about 30 minutes away, and you had better know your way back. Our dens are about 6-8 in each. (Tigers - 7, Wolf - 8, Bear - 2, Webelos 3) So we are trying to find a way to get everyone to eat together. Our vegetarian is the least of our problems.

How about this BW If you cannot see where I am coming from, like some of the other, more constructive postings, then don't post. If you are going to do nothing more than Pick apart everything that I say then save your time. You have done this with everything that I ask about. You want to point out things that I am doing wrong, and not stick to the question at hand. For those that understand and gave me sound advise on where to start, John, Lisa, baschram645, Eagle92, Annie, and Shortridge, Thank you for your advice. I started looking into fixing this for the future. As a side note, these conflicts were broght up at our District Commissioners meeting and they are working on some things to fix this.

BW You said "Actually Anne in Cubs they do not camp as dens except for Webeolos. otherwise they are either family camping in which each family usually does their own cooking or in a Counil or District camp where their food is prepared for them." I do not know about the boys in your pack, but for about 50% of the boys in my pack have never been camping before, and the same thing with their parents. So if these parents have never learned how to cook at camp, do we tell them to fend for themselves. Do we let them run to McDonalds and come back and eat all the food infront of the other boys (that is not fair), or do we join together and work as a team and cook as a den. That is why we do things this way. We try to promote cooking within the dens to promote teamwork. Now back to the original question: Has anyone out there let the Cub Scouts choose what they want for camp meals. So far we have chosen meals that most of the boys have liked. But we still have parents that like to go and get food elsewhere. So have you let the boys decide, and what was your results? (This message has been edited by SctDad)

BW You are not seeing my point at all. What there is a CM out there that has the needed training for Webelos Outdoor activities but the Webelos den leader has not had the chance to get it. Now the CM then has to decide between UoS and Webelos weekend. Get more training like you are always harping on, or the Webelos Weekend. I am not saying that I am special, and that they should change this just for me. I know that there has to be someone else out there that has run into this problem. This is not about me. But if you must know, I am also looking at the larger picture, THE OVERALL PICTURE, of weekends being overbooked. I just used thhat particular weekend as one example.

So BW If the boys want to come up with meals as a den and prepare them as a den, even though there is the whole pack out there with families, then they can't do it because they do not camp as dens. I take my Cubs Camping and if my tigers all said that they wanted hot dogs, hamburgers and beans, but my wolves wanted sommething else, where am I to tell them they can't do it that way. Get off the RULES and REGS about how to go camping, and back onto the topic on helping with hints on how to choose camp meals. That is the topic at hand.

Thank you Lisa, That was the point that I was trying to get across. SRISOM Eastern NC

Some of the things that I am talking about at things like UoS Being held in on the same weekend as camp staff training and webelos OA weekend That is going to take a lot of the adult leadership out of the picture. But then the council is going to make a comment to the effect of, "why do we do this when no one shows up" But there is at least 4 weekends in January and February that have nothing really scheduled. That is what I am saying about poor planning and overbooking. Out of the entire UoS Course, how many are outside courses. I don't know, if someone could help me it would be appreciated.

My main question is why do we constantly overbook. I feel that if we were to look at the overall program and spread out the training days and things then we would probably have a better turnout. Example: If they were to hold the UoS the Month before (March) on a weekend when there was not a lot of other things going on in the council, then they would probably have a bigger turn out by leaders. If training was offered more than once a year, (NLE only once per district/per year from what I have seen) then you would have more leaders that go out and get the training. This would be my suggestion for the training (Program training starting in September) Sept - NLE, Pos Specific Oct - BALOO Outdoor skills Ect Nov Thanks Giving Holiday (Our District Banquet is this Month) Dec Christmas Holiday January/Feb - UoS/Wood Badge (Alternate Years)Maybe also NRA Courses March/April Lifeguard/Safeswim/Safety Afloat April/May - Program Extravaganza That is just a quick on the fly idea for training. Also work with neighboring districts/councils to keep a variety of training.

BW, I did not say I had to do everything in a year. I have already made the decision to pass on Wood Badge for this year, and wait until it is offered in my council again. It is being offered in a neighboring council and my schedule would allow for it, but I am going to wait until I have more time to complete the other things involved. What I am saying is that there seems to be large gaps of activities like in February and March, and then everything crammed into Arpil and May. THose are the things that I am talking about. I see how most of the people herre say Training Training Training, but when there is training, there is something that our Webelos should be doing for their advancement. Those are the things that I am looking at.

My question to the scouters out here. What is your busiest month for scouting in your district/council. Do they break things down pretty good and have a good year of activities, or do they overbook their weekends. EX: The month of April for us has something EVERY weekend. Some things are double booked. This makes it hard for those of us to do certain things that we want because of other committments that we are required to do. Example, UoS is the first weekend, that is also the same weekend of Webelos Weekend by the OA, and I won't be able to attend either due to attending a paramedic class that is mandatory. THen there is our District PWD, Conclave, and Camporee. So there is just so much going on. This is the first time that I have seen UoS in our council, and I will not be able to attend. Not to mention we have NCS coming to our council and it is booked with like 3 other things that weekend. Who shold we talk to about this. There has got to be something that can be done. Or do we as leaders keep being forced to choose one thing over another.

You forgot the Tiger Cubs. A group for the younger boys (7 years old or completed kindergarten.) The boys and an adult partner work in teams to conduct activities.

First I would like to say that I thinkn that the plan that you have so far sounds great. The above posts are right, this area is HOT and HUMID during the summer months. But if you have this already planned then go with your plans. As for places to camp in the are that you are asking about I have one suggestion. NC State Parks. Our council has told us that all state parks with camping are on the approved list. Most of them have group campsites. Here is a link to them http://www.ncparks.gov/Visit/main.php You can look at where you want to go and most have hiking trails, as I guess you are looking for a short hike and not a backpacking trip. Here is the webpage for the local council http://www.oldhickorycouncil.org/ Hope this infomration helps you in the planning.

Sometimes around here a lot of the Webelos 2 boys do thier crossing over ceremony at this event. They have been doing the crossing over that way our blue and golds don't take too long. This is also for boys that are in their first year. For the most part this event is for Webelos Scouts both 1st and 2nd year. I hope that this answers all the questions about the reasoning behind the event. Does anyone have suggestions for activities that can be done.

Event will be held at the beginning of April Anticipated weather - Cool at night, maybe rainy Purpose - Weekend is used for skills that Webelos need and what they can expect when they move to boy scouts. No known theme yet What I am asking for is what skills/activities do you think the Webelos would like or we should do. So far I have: OA ceremony Service Project