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I can appreciate there are greater concerns than this topic. I had similar concerns about Nixon in '72.

As OP, my intent was not to find faults of our Presidents, but to discuss our relationship possibilities (Spock again?) with the incoming Trump Administration. With the number of Eagle Scouts in his potential Cabinet, I am hopeful for positive change.

The method of invitation may need some reconsideration. Consider Setting the Record Straight Presidential Visits to the BSA National Jamboree "Of the 18 National Jamborees that have occurred (not counting the cancelled 1935 National Jamboree and combining both 1973 locations into one event), a sitting President of the United States of America has only attended 7 times. That’s only about 39% of the time." Interesting information in that link. - The first National Jamboree was to occur in 1935 but was canceled due to a polio outbreak. FDR attended the rescheduled first National Jamboree in 1937. - Before elected President, General Eisenhower attended the 1950 Jamboree as a speaker. He only attended one while President. - Nixon attended two Jamborees as VP but none as President. - The most/least Jamborees occurring during a Presidency: Eisenhower (3), Kennedy and Ford (0) - Longest consecutive streak of unattended Jamborees by a sitting President: 5 (1969-1985) - While serving as President, Obama, Carter, and Reagan never attended a Jamboree. The only sitting Cabinet member to attend, that I found, was Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

Does the BSA intend to sell the Irving museum property or covert it to more office space. perhaps an IT center?

Does National wait until the National Annual meeting in May to name a new Honorary President? IMO during Scout Week in February with abundant social media attention, National should dispatch select groups of scouts with invitations to Jambo, etc. Whoever we want - the President, Cabinet members, famous Eagles, etc. invite them during Scout Week. We might even get a Scout display in the Trump Tower lobby. Another $0.02,

The times we live in. I was impressed with FBI Director James Comey politeness and professionalism during heated hearings and interviews - his "Boy Scout image*" as some media called it. Maybe that should be a new public role for Scouting - help restore civility in the US. IMO much harder than other scouting roles: helping Smokey, disaster relief, physical fitness, STEM, even leadership. I agree we need to get scouting back in schools. *To my knowledge, James Comey was not a scout.

Back on topic. My predictions/hopes: - There will be more in-person appearances at scout fundraisers and events to our benefit. Some may argue that it will be political self-serving by the new administration, but IMO it would be an improvement over past administrations ignoring scouting due to perceived political correctness. - We could use a better working service relationship with the US Park Service maybe centered on a modified Hornaday Award. Work for free access? My $0.02,

Good catch.

So change It is the policy of the Boy Scouts of America that the use of alcoholic beverages and controlled substances is not permitted at encampments or activities on property owned and/or operated by the Boy Scouts of America, or at any activity involving participation of youth members. to It is the policy of the Boy Scouts of America that the use of alcoholic beverages and controlled substances is not permitted at any activity involving participation of youth members. The BSA should follow its own policy.

Yes Boy's Life counts. I appreciate the courteous camera angle. Gumbymaster, you win a rubber chicken dinner.

Vice President-elect Mike Pence spoke at the 21st annual Governor's Luncheon for Scouting to say farewell as Indiana Governor. He said he had been a Cub Scout but that Scouting impacted him much more as a father. "To see the confidence in my son Michael grew as he wore that uniform when he went out and went out with his troop. And I saw his character grow. It was a very important part of his life and I'm proud to say he wears a different uniform today as a second lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps and the values he learned in scouting are the same values he lives out today." This fundraiser event raises more than a million dollars each year for Scouting. http://www.wave3.com/story/34034329/vice-president-elect-mike-pence-speaks-at-boy-scouts-fundraiser

As part of Good Turn for America, there was this 2008 "legal" agreement between the BSA and National Park Service. I cannot recall that it had any program impact in my council. As I recall the problem with the Resource Stewardship Scout Ranger program was park admission/membership. It was just less hassle and cheaper to camp at a state park or scout camp. Maybe Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke could revisit. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/membership/pdf/MOUNPSSigned.pdf https://www.nps.gov/tapr/learn/kidsyouth/upload/Resource-Stewardship-Scout-Ranger-Brochure.pdf

I had an art teacher who told me "Bad art needs explanation, good art does not." It is very hard to explain this bad art. IMO, NJCubScouter did it best - creepy. Regarding the nudity and its inappropriateness in a scouting statue, can you find any official scouting literature or website which pictures this Boy Scout Commemorative Tribute Memorial? Maybe the Scout Handbook? Sculpture MB? Art MB? Citizenship in Nation MB? Guide to Safe Scouting? Scouts paid for this and gave it to US government so the government could sell it as surplus junk. https://www.nps.gov/whho/learn/historyculture/boy-scout-memorial.htm Bad art aside, I am more interested in thoughts about how the Trump Administration will interact with Scouting.

Replacing the adult Honorary President position with a Honorary Chief Senior Patrol Leader of BSA is sounding more and more desirable.

Honorary Chief Senior Patrol Leader of BSA - someone in OA? Teddy Roosevelt I dunno. He considered Seton, a "nature faker" and that controversy then has similarities to Trump and global warming today. I found Gerald Ford's, Scouting Years scanned and available free http://www.lincoln-highway-museum.org/grf/10-book/10-fsh-200.pdf His son Jack was one of the founders of Outside magazine.

Yes an American artist would be a requirement as there is a recent trend to offshore statues, e.g., the recent Martin Luther King statue. The proportion of the figures is wrong. The work appears to have been started for a different project with a scout added to move the piece out of the shop. The symbolism that you mentioned , IMO could have been done more effectively and accurately (in the context of scouting) with contemporary American figures. Nudity doesn't bother me, but why in a Scouting statue? Poor choice. IMO, it is just poor re-purposed production art - an eyesore and an embarrassment for us, all the more apparent in a city with the Lincoln Memorial, Korean War Veterans, Vietnam Veterans Memorial,... well considered in symbolism, history, and form by talented artists. On our one trip to Washington, we skipped it. But that's just my opinion. Do you think a Cabinet member might become Honorary President of the BSA? Do you think this Administration will have a greater interest in Scouting? I might not agree with their politics, but I think there will be a genuine interest in Scouting maybe even a Cabinet fight as to who attends Jambo as opposed to phoning it in (sorry AT&T).

We have heard how many billionaires and generals there are in his tentative Cabinet. But sonuvagun, he has a lot of Eagle Scouts and others with scout backgrounds. I am skeptical that Trump will have much interest in scouts beyond a photo op (sound familiar). But if the Honorary President was extended to him, I could see him defer the honor to the Secretary of Interior and what scout would not want to meet an Eagle Scout who was a Navy Seal! IMHO, It would be great if Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke ordered the National Park Service to remove the Boy Scout Memorial from Washington and ship it to Irving or recycle. It would be replaced by a new sculpture by an American artist. Make it a competition where every scout gets to vote like the USPS did with the Elvis stamp, put ballots in Boys Life. Maybe people meant well but this just ended all wrong. Disclaimer: I voted but not for either major candidate.

I hope he values the military and scouting.

Donald Trump strikes me as the opposite of an Eagle Scout and here he seemingly has more Eagle Scouts in his Cabinet than any other President including Gerald Ford who was an Eagle Scout. Just seemed ironic to me and maybe only to me.

Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke - Eagle Scout. In his book, American Commander he credits Scouting for developing his leadership skills and environmental awareness.

Pending confirmations aside, I cannot recall any past administrations whose members had such strong connections to Scouting. Trump may have the most Eagle Scouts in his Cabinet of any President. How ironic is that? Secretary of State Rex Tillerson - Eagle Scout, National President of BSA 2010-2012 Attorney General Jeff Sessions - Eagle Scout and earned the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award. Secretary of Energy Rick Perry - Eagle Scout and earned the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award. US Ambassador to UN Nikki Haley - Chair for the 2006 Friends of Scouting Leadership Division campaign. Now that is hard-core! Small Business Administrator Linda McMahon - Girl Scout Please correct or add any I missed.

Good thoughts. IMO, relocating the National Scouting Museum at Philmont effectively hides it from the general public. Sure they may get a larger attendance from a captive audience at Philmont, but is that what Scouting and the Nation needs? It would be like relocating the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum to the Air Force Academy. Sounds like a good match but is it the best venue to tell your story to the American public? IMO, create rotating exhibits from the collection, say a fine art exhibit (Rockwell, Csatari, Segler) and an artifact/history exhibit. Many museums like rotating exhibits to improve their attendance. First stop for artifact/history exhibit maybe Summit for Jambo! For art, maybe the Chicago Art Institute, worked for Ferris Bueller. oh yeah! Were the attendance numbers at the Irving location that bad? Parking? High costs? Did McDonald's make the BSA an offer for that location? My $0.02

The group said Monday that it will move its National Scouting Museum, (from Irving) which opened in 2002, to the Philmont Scout Ranchnear the town of Cimarron in northern New Mexico. Philmont has served as an adventure destination for Scouts for decades. An expansion of the Philmont Museum and Seton Memorial Library is expected to begin next year to make room for the Boy Scouts' collection, which contains more than 600,000 items — including the nation's largest collection of Norman Rockwell paintings, the first Eagle medal and nearly every uniform in Scouting history. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/irving/2016/12/05/boy-scouts-plan-move-national-museum-irving-new-mexico Perhaps Green Bar = Bill will finally receive recognition in the new museum.

EBOR's here, questions about uniform are rare. Back in the day, the question would be meaningless as scouts wore their uniform to school. Questions about reverence or continuing in scouting (giving back) worry our scouts. YMMV.

Update: Aug 26-27 at Summit. Event information and registration at link below: https://www.spartan.com/en/race/detail/2589/overview?clickid=wP30Y6X6l0WMTGmWvLxvgyIXUkkT84wJTUEVz40&c3nid=159021&c3ch=Affiliate-IR Sierra Nevada brewery is a sponsor. If alcohol is served at Summit during Spartan, IMO the current GSS would need to be amended first. It is the policy of the Boy Scouts of America that the use of alcoholic beverages and controlled substances is not permitted at encampments or activities on property owned and/or operated by the Boy Scouts of America, or at any activity involving participation of youth members.