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The 'God or/and religion Issue is something that if its radicaly changed would ave to be done so at an international level, this is an interesting article on the subject from the World Organisation of the Scout Movement http://www.scout.org/information_events/resource_centre/the_leader_s_questions/spiritual_dimension From a UK point of view the God issue exists over here as well, but in a much watered down format, stating that an avowed absence of religous belief is a bar to taking on an adult leadership role within Scouting.

The 'God or/and religion Issue is something that if its radicaly changed would ave to be done so at an international level, this is an interesting article on the subject from the World Organisation of the Scout Movement http://www.scout.org/information_events/resource_centre/the_leader_s_questions/spiritual_dimension From a UK point of view the God issue exists over here as well, but in a much watered down format, stating that an avowed absence of religous belif is a bar to taking on an adult leadership role within Scouting.

Eagle, the reason why i posted it was because it showed how Scouting bought yuong people together from different racial backgrounds, at a time when racisms was rife, and acepted as normal.

thought i would share this little piece from the UK newspaper - The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/ Washington DC in the early 1940s was, for photographer Gordon Parks, not a welcoming place. He arrived in 1942 to work for the Department of Agricultures Farm Security Administration set up to improve the lives of poor, rural landowners as the only black member of its photography corps, and discovered bigotry all about him. He was turned away by restaurants, kicked out of theatres and denied service at department stores. After just a few days in the city, he was demoralised. In this

"Wouldn't an atheist making a promise of duty to God be lying?" Peregrinator, are Buddhist scouts liars? Budhist Scouts have this option... "On my Honour, I promise that I will do my best, to do my duty to my Dharma and to the Queen to help other people, and to keep the Scout law" Muslim this one: In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent the Most Merciful, I Promise that i will do my best, to do my duty to Allah, and to the Queen to help other people and to keep the Scout law and the standard version: On my honour, i promise that I will d

Meanwhile, across the North sea, the Dutch Scouts look on... ik beloof mijn best te doen een goede Scout te zijn, bewust het goede te zoeken en te bevorderen, iedereen te helpen waar ik kan en me te houden aan de Scouts-wet. Jullie kunnen op me rekenen. and in English.... I promise to do my best to be a good Scout to search for, and encourage the good consciously, to help everyone where I can and to live by the scout law. You can depend on me.

The wikkipedia article linked to above (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scouting ) is a little out of date from what i know the UK policy ( at theis time of writing ) does not exclude youth members who express doubts/declare themselves to be atheists etc, the policy for adults is slightly different as an avowed absence of a relegious beleif is a bar to membership. The misssmatch occurs when a young person/youth member joins who staes that they do not beleive in God, and refuse the make the scout promise ( and say the line "Duty to God"), which they have to make in order to

Quote: "Ok...Word to the atheists. Never buy your CHRIST-mas tree from a Boy Scout. " Isnt that where Xmas comes in? On a slightly more depersing note we have got a Seasonal service coming up ( was previously a christmas carol service ) that apparently is going to concentrate on the spirutual side of humanity, apparently it will be non denominational, non relegious and instead it will focus on the spritual side things and the diversity of humanity as a whole. most of the Scouts and parents cant see the point in it.

One of the Issues that i see for the BSA is that with intel and UPs withdrawing support, who next? The loss of financial support by a large organisation donating money to a far off headquearters may seem distant, after all what realy counts is what goes on in our local comunities, but if these big corporates withdraw suport what will the effect downstream be, will it still be as easy for leaders/Scout masters to ask for extra time off work, if their employers head office/affiliated company(ies) make it clear that they no longer support Scouting? Then of course theres the press and me

Weve just had our local Rememberance day parade with an impressive turn out by our Beavers/cubs and Scouts, meeting at the local branch of the Royal British Legion before assembling and parading through our local town to the war memorial by the Church, with a short service that involved a silence at 11am, laying the wreaths and a few other bits. We then re-asembled and paraded back to the Royal British Legion (RBL is a veterans association ) where some of us ( including the cubs/beavers/scouts) had a few drinks at the bar - (non alcoholic for under 18's ) all over the UK, siamalr p

nice bit of publicity and probably something the lad will remember for a while. Just out of curiosity, from a UK scouter, what is Scout popcorn? and as for Great story. I bet that the Queen never bought anything from a Boy Scout. Ea. although her Daughter in law ( kate ) volunteers with the Scouts.

From a UK Scouters point of view... ( ie my p.o.v) I think there is more to this than meets the eye, what in the USA with the BSA you call the Scout Oath, we have a Scout Promise, which is "On My honour, I promise that I will do my best, To do my duty to God and to the Queen, to help other people, and to keep the Scout law" This is where things start to get a little contradictory, all members have to take the Scout promise when joining, the rules state that for adult members that an avowed absence of religious belief is a bar to appointment to a ( Adult )Leadership

If your going down that route then try this set of factsheets and information "Promoting good sexual health" http://scouts.org.uk/supportresources/search/?cat=299,303,412 anyway back to reality, looking in from the outside - and the other side of the pond it can often seem that the gay issue is a major thing in the USA/BSA in the UK the gay/lesbain population is very much a minority - in the sense that theres not that many of them, do i know of any gay/lesbain Scouters? and the answer to that is a no, do i know of any? well theres so and so, who was at a camp 6 years ago who could

Consult a factsheet... LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) The Scout Association has an equal opportunities policy, and welcomes members regardless of their sexual orientation or gender. View Supporting a young person who is gay and in Scouting (FS185083) (PDF) View It's OK to be gay and a Scout: advice for young people (FS185082) (PDF) View Being gay with an adult role in Scouting (FS185081) (PDF) http://scouts.org.uk/supportresources/search/?cat=377,378 (This message has been edited by pint)(This message has been edited by pint)

The UK Scout Association has just issued a guide called "how to talk about Scouting" here http://www.scouts.org.uk/documents/How%20to%20Talk%20About%20Scouting.pdf Although this forum mainly deals with USA Scouting (BSA) there may be some stuff in there that could be used to promote the positive aspects of Scouting anywhere in the world

"Is this how you keep the scouts away from the TV? That's a good one. How do you like your snipe cooked? LOL " I should have mentioned that im in the UK, and in order to watch live TV we need to purchase a Tv licence, which currently costs 145 per year, ( roughly $232 ) the revenue form this funds BBC Tv, BBC online, and BBC radio which in the UK is advert/comercial free. ( Radio licences were dropped a long time ago in favour of TV licences) The current penalty is a fine of 1,000 ($1,600 roughly) plus legal costs and a court apearance. Enforcament is carried out by comparing a data

We looked into a projector, but went with a 42inch TV from the local supermarket, it acepts inputs from all sorts of devices ( including PC/VGA in) and its running costs/initial price is considerably less than a projector. for storage pruposes it lives in a box, and for setting up/use its somewhat easier than messing around with a projector+focusing+projector screen. The only downside is that our Scout HQ doesnt have a TV licence, so its ilegal to use the Tv to watch lve broadcasts, which is why a sign has been placed on the back wrming users that thye will be liable for any fine for l

The God question, or issue dependiong on your take on it goes further than the BSA or any other national Scout organisation take a read of this from the Wosm website: http://www.scout.org/information_events/resource_centre/the_leader_s_questions/spiritual_dimension

In my opinion the word and term Marrige describes the long term union of a Man and Woman, or to be more exact male and female human. I have no issue with same sex relationships, or civil partnerships etc etc and if they want it then they should have something thats equivalent to marriage in law, but in my opinion whatever they call it it wont be marriage. As for civil partnerships, from my understanding of the situation here ( in the UK ) these dont have the same legal status as marriage, they sort of ocupy an almost but not quite status, and they are not available to hetrosexual coupl

Realistically? probably the same as whats happened elsewhere, and thats not much. First thing that would have to go or change would be the name The Boy Scouts of America wouldnt cut it as a true co-ed organisation, so as waht ahppened in the Uk in the late 1960's/early 1970's the Boy part could be dropped to just Scouts of America. Next up would be washroom provision at Scout facilities, if they dont already cater for separate male/female then provision would need to be made As for camping, and other trips that involve overnight stays, separate accomodation may be required. A

There is no local option, well to all intents and purposes. If the Group Scout leader approves of that person, and in some cases the Group Exec comittee usualy made up of a mixture of parents/ex parents old scouters/ and any one from a sponsoring body ( in the rare case its a sponsored group) the new volunteer frst has to fill out an Adult aplication form which includes a full and comprehensive background check ( this includes something called and Enhanced CRB ) once cleared ( or sometimes before - but not without unsupervised access) He/She usaly starts on a provisional appointment this i

Following on from recent press and media articles about the membership policy of the Boy Scouts of America, the UK Scout Association has issued the following statement... ( copy and pasted from here: http://www.scouts.org.uk/newsandviews/module/31/663/sexual-orientation-should-not-be-a-bar-to-membership ) ******************************************************* "There has been coverage in the media and on social media of the recent decision by the Boy Scouts of America to uphold their ban excluding gay people from membership of that organisation, either as Scouts or leaders. We

The Scout Association in the Uk has started to use TV advertising to recruit more adult leaders first add here http://youtu.be/xhlvja2ZY8g(This message has been edited by pint)

a cynical approach could be; Scouts - where else can you get child care for under 1.25 per hour? that somehow makes the right noises for both - what those in the USA would call Liberal minded people Scouting is inclusive accepts male and females on an equal grounds has a prescence and (promotes it) at events such as Gay Pride, as well as the more right wing type flag waving, traditional values, patriotic and so on.

Wosm is just an abreviation for the World Organisation of the Scout Movement. The main Scouting organisation on the UK is The scout Association, and they cover Scouting in the whole of the UK, which includes England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. The Boy Scouts of America, The (UK ) Scout Association, and Scouts Austrailia all belong to WOSM and memebers usualy wear the purple membership badge, or world crest as i beleive its known as in the USA. Girl Guides Australia, Girl scouts USA, and Girl Guides (UK) all belong to the World Assocaition of Girl Guides and Girl scou