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  1. Pint

    Breaking Point

    As a UK Scouter, care to elaborate?
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    Outside Magazine: Boy Scouts Should Allow Girls

    Whilst UK Scouting was moving towards Co-ed it certainly wasn't a strictly co-ed movement in the UK in the 1990's UK Scouting is organised round the Group principal, that is there are (upto) three Sections under one management system, known as the Scout Group which consists of Beavers, Cub Scouts and Scouts, Explorer Scouts are a District provision, but are often attached to groups as is Scout Network ( 18 - 25) the following is a rough timeline In the late 1960's There was a major re-structure, which ( amongst other things) resulted in the creation of Venture Scouts - replacing Rover Scouts. Also the Name The Boy Scout Association was changed to The Scout Association In the mid/late 1970's Girls could be admitted to Venture Scouts ( age 15.5-21 ?) if the Venture Scout unit, and the Scout Group it was a part of agreed In the Early 1990's Girls could join all sections within a group, at the Discretion of the group ( typicaly all leaders/adults had to agree to this) if Beavers went Co-ed in a group, then all other sections age upwards had to. In 2007 the local /Sectional option was removed and all groups had to accept Girls no matter what, or face closure/removal of leaders. However, as far as i know its acceptable to run two ( or more) nights still as single sex, as long as there is active provision in the group for all sexes, and the relevant Scouting commissioner approves. so in theory its possible to have the following hypothetical set up: 17th Somewhere town Scout Group, West Norwhereshire District Monday: Beavers (Girls) 5:30pm-7pm Scouts (girls) 7:30-9:30pm Tuesday Beavers (Boys) 5:30-7pm, Scouts (Boys) 7:30-9:30pm Wednesday 6:30-8pm Cub Scouts (Girls) Thursday 6:30pm-8pm) Cub Scouts (boys) However i havent seen the above set up, and it would only be allowed to exists with the aproval of the District Commissioner.
  3. From the other side of the pond... I'm aware that Scouting in the USA is structured very differently and relies on something called Charter organisations who recruit the leadership team, provide the meeting place, equipment and other resources. And if that CO decides to drop the BSA Scouting program then that's it, no more Scouting. In the UK things are a little different, Things are organised at a Group level where the Scout group is the centre overseen by a committee ( usually consisting of parents of current and former youth members, former youth members and other interested partys as well as Beaver/Cub and Scout leaders) The Scout Group is its own thing, although it is supervised (in the loose sense of the word) by a Scout District. Whats stopping a group of Parents/Adults and youth starting their own Scout Group with its own equipment and if lucky enough its own meeting place, admitting those youth members of the LDS church who have been denied Scouting as a result of the LDS no longer being a CO?
  4. I've noticed that BSA troops seem to identify as Troop Number BSA, ie Troop 12345 where as in the UK its more along the lines of 1st Somewhere Scouts, belonging to 1st Somewhere Scout Group. The Scout group being its own self financing entity, consisting of Beavers, Cubs and Scouts, often without any sponsor other than its own committee(s) Hence Why 1st Somewhere Scouts will be the first identifier, and then the patrol will be somewhat further down the list Another difference is that of age, in the UK (Scout Association) we have Beavers Age from 6-8, Cubs age from 8-10.5 and Scouts age from 10.5 ( or 10) to 14 ( upto 14.5) then Explorer scouts age from 14 to 18, followed by Scout network ( or notwork depending on how things are going) 18-25 Before the change in age ranges Scouts used to run upto 15/16 then Venture scouts from 16-18/25(?) This means that the Patrol leaders can be typically between 12-14 years of age in the UK, where as in the USA, as far as i know the age gap runs right up to 18 which, if im correct would mean that a 16/17 year old Patrol leader would be far more experienced and able to run with far less adult input/assistance/help. I'm aware of the BSA having something called a charter organisation, however this concept seems totally alien, as in the UK everything is at Group level. While Sponsored groups do exist in places they are few and far between, and the level of input in the case of a church sponsored group may just mean a local member of the clergy, or church committee taking part in the Scout group Executive committee meetings, and providing subsidized accommodation/storage ( ie a local church hall) however, in my experience most scout groups ( Beavers/Cubs/Scouts) own their own building and a small plot of land around it
  5. There are several different Scouting organisations in the UK, the largest being the Scout Association (WOSM Member) http://scouts.org.uk/home/ and then the smaller Scouting organisations, none of which I have seen ( so far) anywhere Baden Powel Scout Assocaiton (BPSA) https://www.traditionalscouting.co.uk/split away sometime in the late 1960's after a disagreement with a modernisation plan ( advanced party review) The British Boy scouts and British Girl Scouts Assocation http://www.bbsandbgs.org.uk/ split sometime in the early 1900s (1909?) The European Scout Federation http://www.fse-scouts.eu/main/index.php As above, other than the Scout Assocation, i have never seen any of the other minority organisations. However if a group of leaders wants to leave the Scout association theres nothing ( physically ) to stop them setting up with another Scout organisation, or setting up their own independant Scout organisation ( except that the Scout association will see them as a closed group, and all assets of that group would then transfer to the Scout association )
  6. Thought you may be interested in this: http://scouts.org.uk/news/2016/04/census-2016/
  7. You could try a search for backwoods cooking a few things here http://www.nhscouting.org/openrosters/DocDownload.aspx?id=94626 While ive seen S'more mentioned, ive never tried them, or even seen them ( had to google them )
  8. From a UK perspective, Girl Guiding UK dropped any reference to God from the promise, and while there was a little ( you had to search to find it ) criticism things have pretty much carried on. Scouting through the UK Scout assocaition has also change the promise however this has been done by introducing a new optional variation that replaces " Do my duty to God " to "uphold our Scout values" theres more information on that here http://members.scouts.org.uk/fundamentals/?pageid=2944
  9. The LondonPride event made front page on the UK Scout Association website http://www.scouts.org.uk and a full news item here: http://scouts.org.uk/news/2014/06/scout-pride/ text from above link: Scouts took part in a fantastic London Pride celebration on Saturday. It’s the sixth year that we’ve attended this LGBT event, and the turnout was bigger than ever. We were there to show the thousands of spectators that Scouting is diverse, inclusive and welcoming to people from all walks of life. For the first time, we were joined by young people between the ages of 16 and 18. The revellers at Pride were in high spirits despite some drizzly weather. Almost 90 people – including volunteers, young people and staff – represented Scouting in the parade through central London. They were decked out in bright purple I-scout T-shirts and some dressed up as adventurous Scout activities, wearing kayaks and tents. This year Scouts were at the head of the parade, with an eye-catching, decorated Scout-branded coach (courtesy of our partner National Express). For the first time we held a pre-Pride event. Dean Jefferys (Regional Commissioner for London), Matt Mills (Regional Commissioner for East of England) and author and campaigner James Wharton set the scene on why Pride is so important. There was also the opportunity to network and find out about our team of Specialist Advisers in Inclusion and Diversity. Our attendance at Pride was organised with FLAGS, the National Scout Active Support Unit which supports LGBT adults in Scouting. As part of our commitment to diversity, we’ve created new resources on gender identity and sexual orientation in partnership with the charities Stonewall, The Gender Trust and Mermaids. Watch our , shown in Trafalgar Square during the celebrations. Check out our Facebook album of Pride photos.
  10. Events such as Pride don't appear to be having an effect on scouting in the UK, in fact it doesn't even generate much media attention, except within Scouting The Below text is copy and pasted from UK Scout Association website here http://scouts.org.uk/events/june-2014/london-pride/: ****************************************************************** Join us for a great day out at Pride in London, whilst promoting that Scouting is truly diverse, inclusive and open to all. When: Saturday 28 June 2014, 10am until 4pm (approx) Where: Central London Cost: Free Pride in London is a fantastic annual celebration of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) community, and culminates in London’s second largest one-day event. This will be the sixth year that The Scout Association has attended the event, and we hope to build on last year’s success. Whatever your sexual orientation, you are invited to join other adult volunteers and celebrate the diversity of Scouting on Saturday 28 June 2014. We will be meeting from 10am, at a venue in central London near Edgware Road station. As well as hot drinks and a mid-morning snack, there will be opportunities to network and meet members of FLAGS (our National Active Support Unit supporting LGBT adults in Scouting). By 12.30pm, we’ll form a walking group ready for the parade through central London which starts at 1pm. After the parade, you’ll be free to spend time enjoying the rest of the Pride in London event. Booking: Please complete the booking form if you would like to attend Pride in London with The Scout Association this year. Young people aged 16 and 17 may attend with parental consent, and under 16’s may attend alongside a parent/carer. If you cannot attend this year, but wish to be informed about next year’s event, contact diversity.inclusion@scouts.org.uk. If you are interested in attending other local Pride events happening across the country this summer, contact our National Scout Active Support Unit, FLAGS. For any questions or further information, please email diversity.inclusion@scouts.org.uk
  11. This has hit the various news outlets on the UK today.... "Traditional values are secret of our success, say Scouts as membership soars Ditching traditional values to be ‘cool’ would be like cringeworthy ‘Dad dancing’, says Scouts chief"" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10802143/Traditional-values-are-secret-of-our-success-say-Scouts-as-membership-soars.html "Girls fuel massive boom for Scouts: Number of children who have joined the movement goes up by 100,000 in ten years" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2618281/Girls-fuel-massive-boom-Scouts-Number-children-joined-movement-goes-100-000-ten-years.html
  12. Pint

    Ideas for vacation in the UK

    Hope you have a good holiday over here. a few questions.. Webelos doesn't exist in the UK as a rough guide Beavers are from 6-8 yearrs old, cubs is 8-10 Scouts 10-14, Explorers14-18 how old is your son? When are you planning to come over? a lot of Scout groups dont have regular meetings over the summer holidays ( ie school holidays ) which run roughly from the end of July to the start of September, however a lot of Scout troops will be camping at some point over this period, and you may be able to find a Scout troop with whom you could join in with at camp for a few days.If you would be intersted in this then a UK Scouter ( such as those above or myself ) may be able to point you in the right direction to ask someone.
  13. Heres a radical solution for the Girl Guide Troop:Leave Girl Guiding UK, and Join the Scout Association.While they will have to accept boys As Scouting is a co-educational movement (should they wish to join them) they (soon ) will have the option to drop God, or to keep God should they wish to do so.
  14. From my own point of view ( in the UK) Alcohol is a fact of life, and at one time or other in life Scouts will encounter it. Alcoholic drinks can be enjoyed, but must be treated with respect, and consumed in a responsible manner. If Scouts see adults drinking responsibly then surely this sets a better example then making out that alcohol is a big bad thing or creating some sort of strange myth /taboo with regards to the consumption of alcoholic drinks. In an previous post, IM_Kathy said Personally if that was me, I wouldn't bother with such as sign, as responsible drinking is something that should be expected from all adults present, failing to do that would be a major breach of trust.
  15. thought I'd share this with your, new video from the UK Scout association - What path will you take? Inspired by the words of Baden-Powell, written by Guy, James, Thom, Chris and Lee.
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