Is this the new normal? in Issues & Politics Posted July 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, Eagledad said: First, you kind of suggest that this is the first time that we are speaking what we "think". Really? Second, I shouldn't have used the words "silly guidelines". I meant ""ridiculous guidelines"". I can see risk management for rappelling and climbing, but ""laser tag"" and ""water guns""? Barry I did not suggest it is the first time. Obviously, it isn't. However, I just don't comment on it most of the time. I thought it was appropriate in this case on the theory that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." As I said above, the prohibitions on laser tag (and paintball) are not based on a risk of injury. This has been discussed in this forum several times over the years. What they are based on is a perception that pointing a weapon (paintball gun) or simulated weapon (laser tag gun) at another human being and pulling the trigger is not an appropriate Scouting activity, regardless of the absence of any risk of injury. I happen to agree with that. (In past discussions, most members of this forum have not agreed.) I do not feel the same way about water guns, and if given enough time to think of an explanation of why they are different, I'm sure I could come up with something. I do agree that situations in which there is a significant risk of falling from a significant height justify safety precautions beyond what was thought to be appropriate in the 70's. But I think we have a new prototype for the silly/ridiculous guideline, and that is the ban on patrols going on a day hike (assuming they're not doing rock climbing, etc.) or having a patrol meeting without adults being present.