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Where's the "steer back to topic" button?

 

And this too shall pass...

Definitely make contact with Far East. They have an incoming SE who was a DE in TAC. We have lone scouts here in Europe that come to our camps, frequently hooking up with a pack they met at a previous camp. Be aware that the overseas councils generally are subsidized by the DoD and that non-DoD members must pay the Fair Share cost, as mandated by Federal law. This year's FS is $85 in Europe.

 

You might be able to stay with your pack in the States, but then you would have to send all advancement paperwork through them.

 

I'm assuming that your son will attend an international school. You may find a pack there, or at an ex-pat club. If there isn't a pack, you might be able to connect with scouts from other countries and even join their groups. We have several non-American pack/troop members whose parents are here as military liaisons and with local HQs of big trans-nationals.

Somehow I don't think he makes many decisions based on what BSA thinks. How many registered voters do we represent in Ohio?

 

PS: Took him long enough. Must be a nightmare waiting for this guy to choose between the menu and the daily special.(This message has been edited by Nike)

I wanted to make arrows with the WEB 2s this summer and let them shoot those.

 

 

I would also encourage you to write a letter explaining the circumstances, your remorse, how you have paid your debt to society, and what you have done to become a productive and upstanding citizen since then.

 

Being up front about these things is always the best option.

 

In the end your COR will have to decide whether to sign and then the council.

 

Good luck!

OGE: While attributed to Socrates via Plato, the origin is disputed since none of Socrates' writings have survived.

 

Even if Socrates didn't actually say it, I bet he (and every other elder for the last 2000 years) thought it.

With the traffic in that area, getting to an outlying district would be a nightmare many nights.

 

So what does the DE say? You are in a grossly underserved area. And, if those troops aren't meeting, are they ghost units or COs who won't give up a charter but also won't really support a unit?

 

 

Teach him to sew it on.

Aquarats should be sporting Carolina Blue epaulets. Nobody else has those and they make you real special! Just ask my BIL.

 

AHG is more in the mold of the sectarian scouting associations you find in Europe, a continent where sectarianism was much, much more strident when Scouting began. The US avoided this sectarianism in large part with the establishment of two large, overwhelming scouting organizations. I believe the way our Scouting was and is organized works for a more tolerant and pluralistic society as we have become. Areas where religion was a flashpoint for violence and social insurrection probably benefitted from a longer road toward ecumenicalism.

Treat them like unit coins. If you don't have a coin in the bar, you're liable for the round when challenged.

 

CMs could also have some hard candy on hand at pack meetings, ande everyone who has their cards get a piece.

Sleeping on coral. Pads are for wimps says my husband.

 

I am a wimp, and he slept like....a rock.

Necker + Giant Collar on Scout Shirt = Sweaty

 

Plus, people want to just about strangle themselves with the darn things, fastening them all the way up like ties.

 

And, over or under?

 

I think they look nice when worn in a sensible fashion.

 

 

When GSUSA got its start, Juliette Gordon Low sold her wedding pearls to help inital funding. She recruited wealthy, well-connected, and influential women for her first National Board, which helped the new organization's finances enormously. GSUSA has stood on its own two feet since the beginning, the way Daisy wanted it to.

 

AHG needs to be able to stand on their own with out relying on BSA for so much. It is laughable that an organization for girls and women, which purports to develop leaders, can not develop, organize and fund their own training or conferences. They will not be as strong of an organization if they can always just say, "We'll get that from the Boy Scouts." If BSA is going to allow AHG to participate in training and Philmont conferences, the AHG members, who are there in an AHG capacity, should be doing so at a non-subsidized rate.

 

AHG should also put its books and other written material on the open market. Why restrict purchasing the books to only registered members? Awards, sure. Some people might prefer to check it out quietly without an AHG rep sitting across the table.

 

And, frankly, I'd like to know more of the backstory on why BSA has chosen to partner so closely with AHG. I don't believe for a minute it has anything to do with values and morals, but rather demographics and internal politics and pressure.(This message has been edited by Nike)

When a BOR denies advancement, they have to state in writing what steps the Scout must take in order to advance at his next BOR.

#1 son wanted to go, but will be at Philmont those dates.

 

Any chance NOAC will ever get to a big southern school?

I've thought about it since we'll most likely be home on COT leave. However, being asked to narrow down to three jobs overwelmed me when I saw the huge list. Still considering it.

AHG is hitting the "easy" button by not developing thier own trainings and programming and relying so much on their partnership with the BSA.

 

1. What happens if there is a significant philosophical change at BSA in the next ten years in regards to the DRP and homosexuality? (No. Not holding my breath.) What happens if BSA withdraws their support of AHG? Will AHG be able to keep going?

 

2. What happens if BSA decides they want to incorporate AHG officially as the "Girls' Division?" Will AHG accept BSA's DRP, which means any spiritual force, or is the Christian ministry more important than the scouting activities? (I have met an AHG mom who told me that AHG is the girls' side of BSA.)

 

3. How does it help or hinder BSA if they become more and more identified with an exclusively Christian group?

 

4. Do we want sectarian Scouting in America? In Europe many countries have Protestant, Catholic, and non-denominational Scouting in balance with their religious distribution. Usually these groups have confederated so that many of them can be WOSM/WAGGGS members and no one has to pick one creed over another. In the States we have avoided sectarian Scouting. Here in Germany, the non-denominational Scouting group is the largest by far, however there are over 150 different scouting organizations belonging to many different international organizations. Only the largest four belong to the Ring and are WOSM/WAGGGS members.

 

 

 

 

I found this list here: http://www.crventuring.org/Membership/Memorandums_of_Understanding/

 

Something for everyone, or maybe not. Mostly these seem like groups more likely to charter or support a BSA unit than not. Perhaps it makes it easier for a DE or CO to already have something from the national organization when chartering new units or transferring old ones.

 

Organization & Document

4-H Informal Agreement

African Methodist Episcopal Church Memorandum of Mutual Support

African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church Informal Agreement

Alpha Phi Alpha Informal Agreement

Alpha Phi Omega Not Online

American Appaloosa Horse Association Not Online

American Association of School Administrators Letter of Endorsement

American Baptist Association Informal Agreement

American Baptist Churches in the USA Informal Agreement

American Cadet Alliance Memorandum of Mutual Support

American Canoe Association Not Online

American Heritage Girls Memorandum of Mutual Support

American Legion, The Letter of Support

American Radio Relay League Memorandum of Understanding

American Red Cross Letter of Agreement

American Veterans (AMVETS) Memorandum of Mutual Support

American White Water Association Informal Agreement

Anglican Church Informal Agreement

Armenian Apostolic Church of North America Informal Agreement

Armenian General Athletic Union (Homenetmen), Western Region Memorandum of Mutual Support

Assemblies of God Church Letter of Endorsement

Association of Nature Center Administrators In Talks

Baha'i Faith Informal Agreement

B'nai B'rith Informal Agreement

Boys and Girls Clubs of America Informal Agreement

Buddhist Churches of America Letter of Endorsement

Byzantine Rite Catholic Church Informal Agreement

Catholic Church, Roman Letter of Endorsement

Catholic Parent Organization, National Informal Agreement

Christian and Missionary Alliance Church Informal Agreement

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) Memorandu m of Mutual Support

Christian Methodist Episcopal Church Memorandum of Mutual Support

Church of God Informal Agreement

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints, The Letter of Endorsement

Church of the Nazarene Letter of Endorsement

Civil Air Patrol Informal Agreement

Civitan International Informal Agreement

Commemorative Air Force Memorandum of Understanding

Community of Christ Letter of Endorsement

Congregational Church Informal Agreement

Community of Christ

Cumberland Presbyterian Church Informal Agreement

Disabled American Vetrans Letter of Endorsement

Eagles, Fraternal Order of (F.O.E.) Informal Agreement

Eastern Catholic Associates Letter of Endorsement

Eastern Orthodox Committee on Scouting Letter of Endorsement

Elks, Benevolent and Protective Order of (B.P.O.E.) Informal Agreement

Episcopal Church Fact Sheet

Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Informal Agreement

Farm Bureau Federation, American Informal Agreement

Federation of Fly Fishermen Not Online

Federation of Islamic Associations in the U.S. and Canada Informal Agreement

Fencing Associations In Talks

First Church of Christ, Scientist Informal Agreement

Focus on the Family Letter of Support

Forum of Catholic War Veterans of the U.S.A. Informal Agreement

General Association of General Baptists Informal Agreement

General Commission on United Methodist Men Letter of Endorsement

Greek Orthodox Informal Agreement

Holy Name Society, National Association of the Informal Agreement

Indian Affairs, Association on American Informal Agreement

International Fellowship of Scouting Rotarians Letter of Support

Islamic Society of North America Memorandum of Mutual Support

Izaak Walton League of America Informal Agreement

Jaycees, United States Informal Agreement

Jewish Community Fact Sheet

Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A. Informal Agreement

JROTC, Army Partnership

JROTC, Naval Partnership

Kiwanis International Informal Agreement

Knights of Columbus Memorandum of Mutual Support

Knights of Pythias, Fraternal Order of Informal Agreement

Lions Clubs International Informal Agreement

Lutheran Church Synod Missouri Memorandum of Mutual Support

Marine Corps League Informal Agreement

Marine Technology Society Memorandum of Understanding

Maritime Archaeological and Historical Society Memorandum of Understanding

Masonic Order of the Eastern Star, Universal Informal Agreement

Members of Churches of Christ for Scouting Reaffirma tion of Support

Mennonite Church Informal Agreement

Military Order of World Wars Memorandum of Mutual Support

Moose International Inc. Informal Agreement

Moravian Church in North America Letter of Endorsement

Muzzle Loading Associations Not Online

National Assembly of Voluntary Health and Scoial Welfare Organizaions Letter of Support

National Association for Interpretation Memorandum of Mutual Support

National Association for Search & Rescue Memorandum of Understanding

National Association of Free Will Baptists Informal Agreement

National Association of High School Scholars Memorandum of Understanding

National Association of Presbyterian of Scouters Fact Sheet

National Baptist Convention of America Informal Agreement

National Baptist Convention USA Inc. Informal Agreement

National Catholic Committee on Scouting Fact Sheet

National Episcopal Scouters Association Memorandum of Mutual Support

National Exchange Club Letter of Endorsement

National Federation for Catholic Youth Ministry, Inc. Informal Agreement

National Football League In Talks

National Future Farmers of America Organization Informal Agreement

National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry Letter of Endorsement

National Lutheran Association of Scouters Fact Sheet

National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration Not Online

National Pan-hellenic Council Memorandum of Support

National Rifle Association Not Online

National Shooting Sports Foundation Not Online

National Society of High School Scholars Memorandum of Mutual Support

Nazarene, Church of the Letter of Endorsement

Odd Fellows, Independent Order of Letter of Endorsement

Optimist International Letter of Endorsement

Original Free Will Baptists Informal Agreement

Orthodox Churches Informal Agreement

Outdoor Nation Memorandum of Understanding

PADI Americas, Inc. Memorandum of Mutual Support

Parents Without Partners Informal Agreement

Pentecostal Churches Memorandum of Mutual Support

Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. Letter of Endorsement

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Informal Agreement

Primitive Baptist Informal Agreement

Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc Memorandum of Mutual Support

Reformed Church in America Informal Agreement

Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) Informal Agreement

Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Not Online

Rotary International Informal Agreement

Roundtable International Informal Agreement

Royal Rangers Letter of Support

Ruritan National Informal Agreement

Safari Club International In Talks

Salvation Army Memorandum of Mutual Support

Serra International Memorandum of Understanding

Sertoma International Informal Agreement

Seventh Day Adventists Informal Agreement

ShelterBox USA Memorandum of Understanding

Sons of the American Revolution Informal Agreement

Southern Baptist Convention Letter of Endorsement

Sovereign Grand Lodge of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows Letter of Endorsement

Steuben Society of America Informal Agreement

The Explorer's Club Not Online

Trout Unlimited Memorandum of Mutual Support

U.S. Junior Chamber of Commerce Informal Agreement

Unitarian Universalist Scouters Organization, Inc. Memorandum of Mutual Support

United Church of Christ Informal Agreement

United Methodist Church In Talks

United Pentecostal Church

US Canoe & Kayak Association In Talks

US Coast Guard Auxilary Memorandum of Agreement

US Department of Defense Letter of Endorsement

US Department of Housing and Urban Development Letter of Endorsement

US Power Squadrons Letter of Endorsement

USA Council of Serra International Not Online

USA Shooting Associations In Talks

VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States) Informal Agreement

YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association) Informal Agreement

YMHA (Young Men's Hebrew Association) Informal Agreement

YWCA (Young Women's Christian Association) Informal Agreement

Zeta Phi Beta Sorority In Talks

Zeta Psi Fraternity Memorandum of Mutual Support

 

Overkill. Though I might ask Obama why he'd say something like this anywhere there could be a microphone on. Of course, he probably never gets to have any conversations without someone overhearing.

 

 

 

 

 

I have neither the time nor inclination to spend this much time and effort with my kids. What isn't happening in these parents' lives that they do this?

 

It might seem more efficient to combine treasuries, but because the two groups would have separate charters from separate national organizations, you might run into differing finance requirements. Plus, you'll probably have overlap of families, but not a complete overlap. The non-overlapping parents might have qualms about how the money is being distributed. You have that in any group.

 

Would the parish permit this type of arrangement?

 

Would you recommend this type of finance situation to a pack and a troop or crew?

 

If any youth group is going to be successful and grow, it needs to stand on its own. Help them as they spread their wings then stand back and let them fly.

If you aren't meeting every month, and want to, make it a goal to meet more often and perhaps count some big events as pack meetings.

 

We meet in:

September--housing and school assignments are usually straightened out by then.

October

November/December is combined due to so many people splitting for both holidays

January

February is PWD and B&G

March

April

May--crossover bonfire

June--try to do a campout or other activity before school ends and people PCS, go back to the States for the summer, or go on leave

July--have a meet up

August--another meet up. Most people are back by mid-August, plus we have a ton of new people incoming and completely up in air about housing and school assignment. We have a community wide fair for all our organizations.

I'm sure the majority of AHG leaders and families you meet are perfectly nice people, just like in every other youth organization.

 

As long as AHG is very upfront that they are a Christian ministry first and the evangelization of the girls is thier first priority, I'm fine with them doing thier thing. They do have a community to serve.

 

I just don't like AHG as they present themselves on their website and would not support it. Restricting handbooks to members? That's a little odd to me, though I suppose someone will probably tell me that Boy Scout and Girl Scout books used to be restricted.

 

And I checked: they don't appear to have troops in Europe yet so no getting to know them that way.

 

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