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If he had ate it and didn't have fun killing it, then absolutely- HE-man!

Was John McCain Boy Scout?? Was Barack Obama? Curious minds want to know. Pappy

Thanks Crew21, I really liked the BP site when I visited it. The old Scouter pamphlets of BP have always made a lot of sense to me, and they seem to be bear little resemblance to the BSA materials for boys today. We have kids read the founding documents of our nation, and learn of the people who founded our country and the reasons why, but in BSA there is short shrift paid to its genesis and the actual writings and illustrations of its founders. (Is BSA afraid the boys might get too many ideas and actually take over the darned thing?) It seemed that BP's materials were better

While I encourage my scouts to respect their fellow scouters the Brownies, playfully calling a fellow male scout a Brownie during an aggressive PT session is very common and the boys find it very funny. Sexist? Shock and Horror! Maybe a little. But the boys see the gargantuan difference between the unit they belong to and the Brownies. The idea of Brownie pretty much equates with girly. Boys don't want to be a girl- despite the efforts of Den Mothers across the nation to make it otherwise. My scouts don't suffer from gender confusion in our unit, that's for sure. OK Fire Cat- Now Bre

The only motorcycle that I ever saw that made me want to ride one was when Steve McQueen grabbed the bike in THe GReat Escapem which I beleive was a modified 1961 Triumph TR6 Trophy Bird. Not a prodcut of the Nazi war effort to be sure. Pappy

http://www.boundless.org/1999/features/a0000025.html Excerpts from : The Crisis of ManlinessWaller R. Newell is professor of political science and philosophy at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada Fatherhood and manliness have always been closely connected, not only because fathering a child is a palpable proof of manhood, but also because fathers are supposed to provide their sons with a model of what to become. And yet, as a culture, we have never been more conflicted about what we mean by manhood.... Given these signals from the culture, confirmed every day by real acts of

Boy Scouts are not drug tested either.......Pappy DOD Urinalysis Test (Drug Test) Results Join the Discussion Visit Our Message Forum Related Resources More About DOD Drug Tests Even More About DOD Drug Tests The Defense Department is continuing its anti-drug efforts with a new policy that involves more frequent random testing of active duty military, reservists and civilian employees. Signed by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz on July 31 (2002), the new policy reflects the reality that the nation is at war, Andre Hollis, deputy assist

From This Link: http://www.stewsmith.com/linkpages/usmcPFT.htm Marine Corps Fitness Standards - IST and PFT StewSmith.com | April 2007 The Physical Fitness Test is administered every six months. All Marines are provided time to train and are expected to maintain an adequate degree of physical fitness. The standard physical fitness test consists of three events that measure cardiovascular endurance, muscular strength and endurance and mobility. The Initial Strength Test (IST) for Recruits If you are thinking about joining the USMC, you will have to pass the IST

More about manly men - this time from our most manly-man president- TR Excerpted from: The manliness of Theodore Roosevelt by Harvey Mansfield http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/23/mar05/mansfield.htm The most obvious feature of Theodore Roosevelts life and thought is the one least celebrated today, his manliness. Somehow America in the twentieth century went from the explosion of assertive manliness that was TR to the sensitive males of our time who shall be and deserve to be nameless. Nothing was more obvious than Roosevelts manliness because he made such

This is another take on the Manly Virtues and what our feminizing culture has done to them. It would be interesting to reflect on how scouting has become infiltrated by this tendency of thought and attitude to soften our idea of manliness and how it has perhaps handicapped out expectations of boys and prejudiced us to boy's better male instincts and yearnings.----Pappy Excerpts from: The Manly Virtues William Gairdner Too often, a guaranteed way to ruin a good day is to read the morning paper. The execrable and morally lacerating descriptions of the Paul Bernardo trial have s

Scoutings founding fathers seemed to have no problem speaking in the terms of manliness. It was a central concern of theirs. THe point of this thread is to raise the topic of manliness as it applies to scouting, scouters,and scouts. Have we changed our outlook of manhood? If so is it for the better? Has scouting been hurt by the feminized male? I wonder what our founders would think. I wonder if many of the scouters in this forum would really care to know what our founders would think about the world of today and how scouting has adapted to it. An excerpt from

Well hello Fire Cat, You're right of course. I have failed to use the term hysterical for many of the male posters. My mistake. It would have been very appropriate. But that would have been akin to calling them girly men as well- because hysteria is derived from a feminine term- referring to the womb. Call me a bigot all you want- I am very prejudiced to a lot of behavior and attitudes expressed by a great deal of the members of this forum. And they have been prejudiced against a good many of my ideas and attitudes as well. SO be it. Pappy

Fishsqueezer, You wrote : A pristine environment by definition is one that is unchanged by man. I do believe that existed. You might want to review Genesis and note that the world existed before man and therefore was pristine. There were also pristine continents prior to man migrating to them. You may wish to read more educational stuff when you have a moment between watching westerns and hanging out with real men. pristine ˈprɪs tin, prɪˈstin; especially Brit. ˈprɪs taɪn - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pris-teen, pri-steen; especially Brit. pris-tahyn] Pronunciation Ke

I honestly don't know, Bob. I think it was called Prairie Council. They had a big camp, and it was sold to a Church Group, Seventh Day Adventist, I think. You probably could find out the facts quicker than I about when and why it happened. ALl I know is that it caused a lot of hard feelings with a few of the grey beards around these parts. Pappy

Oh hello le Voyageur! "DOES OUR CONCEPT OF MANILINESS MATTER?" our (our) adj. The possessive form of we. Used as a modifier before a noun: our accomplishments; our hometown. I suppose I meant the possesive form of we. But if you choose not to have a concept of manliness, le Voyageur, I'll understand. Pappy (This message has been edited by Pappy)

Hi Bob, Ours is a relatively new district in a reorganized council. There seems to be a lot of hard feeling around here about reorganization and a lost council camp. We used to be the seat of our own council. But after a mismanagement issue we lost it and the camp. This bitterness may have affected the general mood of the scouting culture around here. This was all before my time, so I am only speculating and relating hearsay. Pappy

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"By Pappys definition of manliness, it is manly to cause extinction because we needed that dam. It is manly to pollute the rivers and air because we needed the power. It is manly to cut old growth forests because those old trees make for stronger homes. If we harm creation it must be because God wanted us to. If He didnt want us to use it up, He wouldnt have given us power over it. That sounds very similar to the argument for slavery." Never said or implied any of that. That is what you want to read into it. Just because we train our boys to have the ability to build civilizations from w

I'm pretty critical of Ayn Rand as well, but she did have some interesting insights into the mind of man and she was a great champion of the creative spirit behind much of Capitalism and industry. But all the lists aside, Manliness is an attitude about freedom and about knowing our place in the universe. I want my boys to see the world as a place to explore, to investigate, and to use to their advantage and the advantage of others. I don't like the zoo aspect we have developed of "nature". There is no nature. It is a really bad concept, unless you keep it catholic "small c", and keep

Hey Vicki, if you haven't embarked for the next hill yet, I cordially invite you over to a new campfire I just lit. It is all about manliness, and I dedicate it to you, darlin. Pappy

Here is another perscription for Men: (Scouting seems to cover some of this) From:: http://federalist.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/preparing-boys-for-manhood/ By the age of 18 every American male should be able to: Stay physically fit. Practice first aid. Swim, row, sail, and navigate. Speak a foreign language. Competently operate cars, motorcycles. Safely use and maintain hand and power tools for working wood, stone, and metal. Wire, plumb, frame, roof, and duct to code. Handle a concealed pistol defensively. Maintain and shoot rifles and shotguns. Garde

I only pasted this article for edification, and to serve as the springboard for a turn in the conversation from the last thread. I think the idea of Manliness should indeed be well formed in both men and women who would want to form boys. This forum is pretty simple. If you don't reply to the posts- they slide down the list and nearly go away. I don't think I am trolling. I think this stuff is really interesting and really matters and goes to the heart of much of what we do in our lives and why we do it. Pappy

Hello Folks, Old Grey Eagle asked Pappy - "Maybe you should define what "manly" means to you as you use the term a lot and I want to be clear..." Below is an article that sheds light on what at least one intellectual thinks about the idea of manliness. I think our fundamental concepts of what is Manly should at least in part continue to inform BSA as an organization and the volunteers working in the trenches with boys. I'll be interested to hear what you'll think about Mansfields idea's. Pappy Being a Man Harvey Mansfield ponders the male of the species. by C

Nice try Local 1400. The demise of scouting in my area began a few decads ago- and has been steadily declining ever since. I am only one of two new units to form in the past three years. We have no access to the public schools - that is the domain of official-BSA-dom. They can take the credit or the blame for the FOS and the Roles in our neck of the woods. My net only stretches into the CO private school and a few Home Schoolers. In fact- one troop, whose CO is a Baptist Church, built a potato cannon follwoing our lead- and they are the fastest growing unit in our area. We