Eagle92

Well I know that my old council's winter camp focused on bunch of the "paper pushing" MBs that don't require outdoor activity, the Citizenships, Personal Management, Fingerprinting, etc. If a scout was serious enough and started on the prerequisites and extended requirements like the budget in PM, etc, then they could earn the MB that week. otherwise it's a partial.

Lodge, Here how it was explained to me when I worked in supply and based upon the Insignia Control Guide. You can wear the number star and yellow backing for tenure in CS. You can wear the number star and green backing for BS. You can wear the number star and red backign for pre-1998 Exploring/ Venturing. You can wear the the number star and blue backing for Adult Leadership Service only, in conjuntion with the other stars, OR wear the TOTAL TENURE with the Blue backing. In my case i can wear the following a 3 yr star on yellow. a 7 yr. star on green

I personally think that the CS were too young, and there were risks that the leaders took and may not have been aware of. I've had to assist in rescuing another lifeguard when a group of us did the "polar bear" plunge at work one winter. The water was only in the 40s, it was in New Orleans so it was the coldest we could get, and when one of us jumped in , she went into shock and passed out. the first and only time we were allowed a "polar bear" plunge.

Shortridge and Bob White, Shortridge is correct, in that I am discussing the section Conclave, which is always the same weekend in April, barring when that weekend is Easter, and is set 3 years in advance. District at one time did not have the conflict, but then a new person in charge of the event, scheduled it the same weekend as the conclave. She refused to move it, and every time I went to the district it was "the only open weekend." Fortunately the person who took over from her is active in the OA,(he just got Vigil this year), and changed the date for us. Heck he wanted to go to conc

The problem comes when the fun ones, say a conclave, occur the same weekend as a work event, like a district Webeloree, in which Arrowmen are expected to staff and raise $ for camp improvements via the trading post. Grant you that was a district event, but I believe it was 1 major reason for the downfall of the OA chapter. Luckily after several years of begging to get it change, it happened. ; Sctdad, I'ld talk to both your district chairman AND your good buddy, the steak stealer. The DC represents the interests of the district to the council folks, and that's part of his job. As fo

Yes that is a problem nationwide, but with good planning it can be minimized. I remember once upon a time the VP of Program took a VERY active role in the planning process, deliberately spreading out activities throughout the year, etc. If any type of double booking did occur, it was usually a district event geared to another segment of the Scouting population. Some volunteers, usually those in multiple units, did have some tough choices to make at times, but overall it was a well oiled machine. that VP was the one who implemented the EXTRAVAGANZA where everyone recieved all the info on the up

Eagledad, I can tell you stories that will make your hair raise. YP and 2 deep leadership protects both the youth and the leaders. I knew one scout with a history of lying that accused a married female leader of making a pass at him. Guess what, the Silver Beaver recipient was thrown out of scouting because when this supposedly happened, everyone was asleep and she was making the rounds to make sure everyone was in their tents. No other leaders accompanied her on the rounds. And how do I know he's a liar, previous to the incident above, I had an incident with the same youth at an OA NOAC

Ammon And Individuals desiring to participate in any high-adventure activity or events in which emergency evacuation would take longer than 30 minutes by ground transportation (emphasis added) will not be permitted to do so if they exceed the weight limit as documented at the bottom of this page. Enforcing the height/weight limit is strongly encouraged for all other events, but it is not mandatory Those sentences is causing the commotion. In some parts of the country, like mine, the local summer camp is more than 30 minutes away from a hospital with an ED. In fact two of the camps I

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Definitely want an OA ceremony, usually recognizing those who have the AOL or are about to get the AOL.

Ok long story short, I need information on what a complete 1950s den mother uniform would consist of, i.e hat insignia, etc. All I have to work on is the 1950s Den Mother's Handbook and that just shows a picture without going into details. So what are some good internet sites and books that may be able to help tell me what the components are.

Yep service is service and it really doesn't matter. We are not in it for self gratification. But when you have parents of scouts who come up to you and don't know what the OA is, that's a problem. Or as the phone call I dealt with last year, a mom who didn't know that her son's SM was not only an OA member, but a Vigil Honor member who was at one time a chapter, lodge, and section officer. there's a problem. That's why I've been pushing the visiblity on the chapter level. Oh and I forgot to mention, we got a chapter picture from the lodge's award banquet in the local newspaper with a br

One thing I forgot to mention, with the community, they don't see us as Scouting's national Honor Society, the OA, they see us as the Boy Scouts. Another reason to wear the sash!

ok i had the opportunity to write something. SR540Beaver In reference to not giving out the flaps, this is a cause of concern for some of us. It is brought up every year and the majority of youth on the ECM want to keep it the way it is. Over the past 2 years, more and more youth are wanting to have an Ordeal Flap, but with nationals new policy of no individual honor flaps, a lot of people are upset, and I think that the vote will be to continue to not issue a flap to Ordeal members as backlash to the new national policy. To encourage Ordeal members to attend inter-lodge function

Folks, Keep the comments coming. It may be a while for me to reply since I'm off today and am dealing with three rambunctious boys who will not give me the time to post a full response. i'm working on it as they let em

Ok so how do some lodges do it. I know my lodge incorporated the First Year Arrowman Award, flaps can only be earned after completing 7 hours of work as a MEMBER (so no flap until you attend another Ordeal, a conclave, jamboree, or NOAC) and changed the schedule to include both work and fellowship the Ordeal weekend. On a chapter level, we want OA sashes visible at all special events,i.e. district banquet, COHs, BnGs, camporee campfire, etc. I know what some people will say, I've posted about this topic already. The OA on the district had a visibility problem with scouts, parents, and som

BW Sometimes it fun jumping off the cliff, especially if you are "rat running" aka "Australian method' of rappelling down the White Cliffs of Dover DISCLAIMER THIS METHOD OF RAPPELLING IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE BSA. But it was by the Scout Association in the UK Also in reference to NCS, I did the COPE Director course 2 weeks before camp started and a friend missed staff week to go to NCS. And alot of councils were in the same boat. speeglevillemom CSDC is what YOU make of it. Talk to folks, get ideas of the net, and come up with a general, adaptable idea of what you want. You w

BW, She also stated in a post that she thought she was going to be the CD, until informed otherwise. She was prepared to shoulder the entire burden. You need to read all the posts before criticising someone for stepping up to the plate and trying to improve program. After all we are all in it for the scouts.

Now in reference to the food question, brown bags from home work best. If you do a Webelos overnighter, sorry it's been a while since I worked camp so do not know if it is still done or not, then have the Webelos plan the menu with the aid of the Den Chief. Two things that were done back in the day, besides the overnighter, was 1) 'world's largest sundae" on Friday afternoon where a super long sundae was made for the campers to eat, and 2) staff cook out celebratingh the end of CSDC. This was at the CD's house where we ate hamburgers, hot dogs, and chips and swam in the pool. Just make su

BW if you reread the post, she states that she will be attending NCS in Feb. And she offered to help out, so she wasn't "pushed" she jumped As for coming online to get ideas, nothing wrong with that. As some have posted elsewhere this is a virtual campfire. Ideas are exchanged and questioned asked. Heck I've been around for a while, held a bunch of positions, and still ask questions. As my grandpa used to say, "the day you stop learning is the day you die." In addition to NCS, I'ld talk to other CDs and PDs in your council, or if you are close enough the neighboring council. There

Sorry got called away before completing prior post. Sometimes it take fresh ideas and approaches to get things going. Sometimes it takes one motivated and enthusiastic person to make the changes needed to make a successfult program. And that enthusiasm is contagious. Look for more people who want to make the prgram better and recruit them. Yep you got a lot of work ahead, but when you see the smiles on those Cubs faces, you know you made a difference and all the hard workl will be worth it.

While BW does ask a good question, do not be discouraged. Soemtimes it takes fresh blood and ideas to get somthing. going.

Diogenes, Hope you're right and that LDS units will leave the folks in place for a while. The LDS unit in my district seems to change leadership every year, or sooner, and trying to contact them about district functions like the camporee, roundtables, etc is a giant game of phone tag.

Short, National came out witha policy in Aug 2007 stating that lodge flaps would no longer have membership distinctions, i.e. No more Ordeal, Brotherhood, and Vigil flaps. However our Supreme Chief of the Fire at the time stated that we should exhaust our existing supply of Brotherhood and Vigil Flaps before ordering anymore patches. And we had just ordered a bunch of flaps prior to the national mandate. What I mean by restriction is that you must do 7 hours of work as a MEMBER before getting a flap. So brand new Ordeal members do not get a flap, just the sash, handbook, and OA

An OA knot would be nice. As I mentioned elsewhere, some lodges do have restrictions on their flaps, so not everyone has a flap on their uniform. Also let us not forget our sea scout brethren who are no longer allowed to wear OA flaps on their uniforms. Glad that policy was not around when my OA lodge created the sea base and the attached sea scout ship. Only unit I ever knew of that had all Vigil Honor members as adult leaders, and every single one of us wore the lodge's Vigil flap. (This message has been edited by eagle92)(This message has been edited by eagle92)