Eagle732

In your last post when you say "you" do you mean me personally or you in general?

This dates back to 2003. http://www.oa-bsa.org/annc/opup/OPUP-04-9.pdf

Actually it's not my choice. The COR and CC signs off on adult leaders.

What I have control over is what happens at meetings and outing. Some showing up drunk would be asked to leave, and not by driving themselves. If it happened again they would be gone.

What I don't have control over is BSA'a policy.

"BSA will allow Adulters, drunks, wife beaters and other sinners to register."

We weed them out at the unit level. Adult association is one of the methods of Scouting, it is the responsibility of the units and the COs to make sure the adult volunteers are positive role models.

Sounds like a done deal. Wonder who decided this and how much input they got (if any) from the field?

So I guess they think they're going to show up at a new troop and get a position? They won't be happy there either.

So much for a Scout being Loyal. If the next SM had any sense he'd tell them to go and work out the problem with their old troop.

So if they quit and change troops over this and in a year want to come back do you let them?

When I do a SM conference for 1st Class I always discuss the requirement for holding a position (POR) for the upcoming ranks. I tell them that a POR is not a right that you are entitled to, it is a gift given to you by your troop. You need to earn the POR by being a good scout and following the Oath and Law. If you want to be a bully, be mean, not be a part of your patrol, be the guy who always disappears when the the work needs to be done, then your fellow scouts are not going to ask you to hold a position.(This message has been edited by Eagle732)

Your asking if I'm a troll? That comment was more of an inside joke that some here would get.

I spent a about 3 weeks in New Hampshire last year. I was hiking the Appalachian Trail and after starting in Georgia four months prior I hit NH. My average milage dropped from 18 -20 miles a day to about 10. My hiking speed was severely suppressed. The trail is beautiful but it is some tough hiking!

New Hampshire's a great state, I admired the people there for their sense of freedom and independence.(This message has been edited by Eagle732)

And you're going to be the first person to ask a gay adult leader to leave when he give his significant other a kiss during a camping trip?

It's the Camel's Nose.

Moose, that's understandable, I was suppressed when I was in New Hampshire.

Moose, Google it under "Blue Hampshire", I'm sure you're familiar with that very "progressive" blog. They have articles on Motor Voter in NH and lots on voter suppression stories. Have fun!

"I'd rather develop an identity/pride in a name rather than a number."

Unless your lodge happens to have been around since the beginning of the OA and has a low number.

Nentico Lodge#12 was started in 1922, my grandfather joined 1923. My dad was a member too and my son and myself are active members.

Also I'm told that our lodge flap has been unchanged since the beginning, it has the number 12 on it. I hope it stays. I think traditions are important and sometimes we're too quick to discard them.

Adam, I have no problem with female scout leaders. In fact I answer to a female CC. I've known some very good female leaders. Outdoors skills and knowledge are the most important skills qualities as far as I'm concerned. I kid when I say that to be considered as an ASM in my troop you have to be able to hike farther than the SM can (I thru-hiked the AT last year).

I guess for me it goes back to 30 years in a large metro fire department. When your life depends on another, and their life depends on you, you quickly realize that race, orientation, sex, whatever, doesn't matter. What does matter is that you can do your job!

I've got plenty of adult help in my unit and yes, we do pick and choose who becomes and adult leader. In fact I choose the ASMs myself based on who I think will be a positive role model for our Scouts, who can work well with boys, and who is willing to let the boys run their program. Note that positive role model is the first priority.

I wasn't responding to you Eamonn, I was responding to skeptics post. I didn't see your post until after I posted.

My comments reflect a large group of today's society.

Constitution? Who cares about some old piece of paper a bunch of old farts wrote?

Pursuit of happiness? Doesn't that mean I'm entitled to free cable TV and internet? Oh and I want one of those free cell phones too.

I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. B. Franklin

Or this which relates to another current thread:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. B. Franklin

More voter suppression? Isn't the election over yet?

My parents about had a cow when I recommended a $600 annual fee!

jblake, saving money is still a requirement (2nd Class, req. 10). Point well taken on the $60 game vs uniform.

Do away with the do nothing jobs like Webmaster, Librarian and Historian. If no one wants to be Scribe do away with that too.

Your young scouts will soon realize that they need a job to advance. Don't make up Scoutmaster appointed jobs just to give someone a position.

I tell my guys during their First Class SMC that now the other scouts in the troop have some control over them advancing. If they don't vote for you, you don't get a position and you don't advance. Live up to the Scout Law by being Courteous and Kind and your fellow Scouts will remember. Want to be a bully or mean? See how that works for you come election time, boys have a long memory!

My troop of 30 boys and 4 patrols has a PL and QM for each patrol, a SPL, ASPL and Troop QM. SPL and PL are elected, the others are appointed.

What's the purpose of posting this? No one denies there was racial discrimination in the past in the US and the UK. We're all better off on this country getting past racial discrimination.

Now if some would just let it go and move on.

moose "Eagle732, Democratic Governments did not try to suppress voters either Democrat or Republican, therefore your voting rights (even if voting Republican) was protected. I also had no problem being in a rural area, which was more Republican then Democrat and having a mixed government, although other things were attempted.. So cry me a river.."

Ah, you didn't notice the little smiley face?

Get a grip!

Republican voters were suppressed in Maryland since we are 80% Democrat here.

Oh, I mean DEPRESSED, not suppressed

Hey moose. was it those pesky Black Panthers out there suppressing the vote again?

You're right acco40 you can not own a car and walk everywhere. Your choice. If I had the choice I wouldn't buy a car with one, but when every car has one and authorities have access to the information, without a warrant, then I consider that an erosion of my rights.

or this: http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech-technology-and-liberty/does-government-want-read-your-texts-and-emails