On Effeminancy

[WHEELER 10]

Captured in 1919 by World War I American Forces from a Communist Party office were documents on how to secure Germany for Communism. The first thing mentioned was To destroy the ruggedness of the People. (Plato said, The beginning of truth is to wonder.) Now, ask yourself WHY?

 

Please notice what is missing from the following extracts:

 

NEW BIBLES

Nestle-Aland Greek-English New Testament 26th edition l979 (Used as textbook in Roman Catholic Seminaries.)

 

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, not idolaters, not adulterers, not sexual perverts, will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

The New American Bible with Nihil Obstat Stephen J. Hartdegen, O.F.M.,S.S.L. Christian P. Ceroke, O. Carm., S.T.D. Imprimatur: Patrick Cardinal OBoyle, D.D. Archbishop of Washington l987

 

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes not practicing homosexualswill inherit the kingdom of heaven.

 

The Orthodox Study Bible with Joseph Allen, Th. D.; Jack Norman Sparks, PH. D.; Theodore Stylianopoulos, Th. D.; Archbishop IAKOVOS, Metropolitan THEODOSIUS. 1993

 

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, not idolaters, not adulterers, not homosexuals, nor sodomites, will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

OLD BIBLES

The New American Catholic Edition The Holy Bible Imprimatur Francis Cardinal Spellman l958

 

1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unjust will not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the EFFEMINATE, nor sodomites,will possess the kingdom of God.

 

The King James Bible

 

1 Cor 6.9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, not idolaters, not adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankindshall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

 

What is this word EFFEMINATE? How come modern Bibles dont have this word in it but older Bibles do?

 

In the original Greek there are five activities mentioned, but in a scholarly professional work of a 26th edition, only four of the five words are translated into English. They use the word sexual perverts. The Greek is clear on its own meaning. The two Greek words are malakoi and arsenokoitai. Arsenokoitoi in the literal translation of the Greek means men who lie with men and the literal translation of malakoi is soft and when applied to a man means effeminate.

At the college I attended, I reread Platos Republic in which Socrates remarks that Too much music effeminizes the man. I thought this an odd comment until the fundamentalist Protestants on campus began a campaign amongst themselves to push other Protestant Christians to use only The King James Bible. Their contention was that modern Bibles mistranslate quite a few verses and that the only Bible to trust is the KJV. When I picked up their material, 1 Corinthians 6:9 jumped out. My Roman Catholic Bible, The New American Bible, did not have this same verse. My friend in the classical department pointed out the Greek. The King James Bible was correct and my version was in error.

 

What are they trying to hide? What is so important that this word is left out of one Bible and mistranslated in others but not mistranslated in old Bibles? What is going on? "Malakoi" does not have any sexual connotations whatsoever.

 

Words have meaning. They convey ideas. Lose the word, society loses the idea and the concept. When is the last time or have you ever heard the word, effeminate or effeminization? This word like manliness is gone completely out of our vocabulary and our educational system. The idea of manliness and effeminancy is totally lost on modern society. Ask yourself, is it by chance or by design?

 

Platos Republic

 

The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of softness and effeminacy. To the answer of an exclusive devotion to gymnastics and the exclusive devotion to music. (III Republic, pg 118 Translator B. Jowett, M.A., Vintage Books.)

 

In a paraphrase, Too much music effeminizes the male.

Platos Republic is an educational treatise. Though it is a discussion of the State, many of Socrates discussion centers around education. Education deals with culture and Culture defines politics.

Does too much music turn a boy into boy prostitute or a sexual pervert? No. This is silly. Then why do men with college degrees and years of schooling get things so wrong? How could a "scholary" edition be so erroneous?

 

Herodotus Loeb Classical Library Pg 197 Book 1 155-157

 

But let the Lydians be pardoned; and lay on them this command, that they may not revolt or be dangerous to you; then, I say, and forbid them to possess weapons of war, and command them to wear tunics under their cloaks and buskins on their feet, and to teach their sons lyre-playing and song and dance and huckstering (the word retail in one translation). Then, O King, you will soon see them turned to women instead of men; and thus you need not fear lest they revolt.

 

This is an appeal from King Croesus, the king of the Lydians, a Greek city and people on the West coast of Turkey, to the Persian King. What the defeated king proposes is to inculturate softness in order to make them docile and servile. Here is the principle Culture defines Politics. Evil men and Good men read this both. A good man prevents the effeminization of men while an evil man (i.e. a socialist) seeks to effeminize the men (or is deceived into doing it.)

 

Crudens Complete Concordance pg 755 Weak and ineffectual men are sometimes spoken of as women. First published in 1737.

 

Isa 3:13 (Masoretic Text)

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

 

Isa 19:16 (Septuagint)

But in that day the Egyptians shall be as women, in fear and in trembling because of the hand of the Lord of hosts, which he shall bring upon them.

 

Nah 3:13 (Septuagint)

Behold, thy people within thee are as women: the gates of thy land shall surely be opened to thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.

 

Jer 28:30(Septuagint)

The warrior of Babylon has failed to fight; they shall sit there in the siege; their power is broken; they are become like women; her tabernacles have been set on fire; her bars are broken.

 

Clearly, the Old Testament realizes this same concept. The Greeks have a word for this and it is called malakoi effeminate.

 

Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, David W. Bercot, Editor pg 445

 

A true man must have no mark of EFFEMINACY visible on his face, or any other part of his body. Let no blot on his manliness, then, ever be found either in his movements or habits. St. Clement of Alexander (c. 195, E), 2.289.

 

And let not men, therefore, spend their time in barbers shops and taverns, babbling nonsense. And let them give up hunting for the women who sit nearby, and ceaselessly talking slander against many to raise a laugh. St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 195, E), 2.289

 

What is the purpose in the Laws prohibition against a man wearing womans clothing? Is it not that the Law would have us to be masculine and not to be EFFEMINATE in either person or actions--or in thought and word? Rather, it would have the man who devotes himself to the truth to be masculine both in acts of endurance and patience--in life, conduct, word, and discipline. St. Clement of Alexandria (c. l95, E), 2.365.

 

Pg 693.

Therefore, we also reckon that the woman should be continent and practiced in fighting against pleasures, too. Women are therefore to philosophize equally with men, though the males are preferable at everything, unless they have become EFFEMINATE. To the whole human race, then, discipline and virtue are a necessity, if they would pursue after happiness St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 195, E), 2.419, 420

 

Pg 694

It is not permitted to a woman to speak in the church, not to teach, baptize, offer, or to claim to herself a lot in any manly function, not to mention the priestly office. Tertullian (c. 207, W), 4.33

 

 

I picked up an old book on education at my college library. In it was the phrase, How can we educate without effeminizing? To this day I kick myself for not keeping a reference of this.

 

In my humble opinion, this word, malakoi is the most important word in the whole bible. Why else would they mistranslate the word so improperly? Because it is a dangerous word. It is a dangerous word because of the concepts and ideas that it entails. The sin of Adam was that he was EFFEMINATE. He was weak and ineffectual. St. Paul blames Adam not Eve for the falling away. Adam was responsible. Not Eve. The principle, culture defines politics, is more clearly defined in Platos Republic. It is the principle of microcosm/macrocosm; what goes in the little part, so goes the whole. As the man is effeminate, so is the state. As the man is effeminate, so is the church. As the man is weak and ineffectual, so is the church weak and ineffectual.

Christianity can not survive in effeminate men. Self government only existed among the Greeks because of their manliness. It was this major factor that made them free and self governing. The Persians and other asiatics lived under tyranny. The one word that the Greeks described the asiatics and the Persians was the word, malakoi.

 

CONNECT THE DOTS.

 

Effeminacy and Thought

 

Xenophon, Econ. IV, 3 as quoted in The Greeks by Kitto

 

Men do indeed speak ill of those occupations which are called handicrafts, and they are rightly held of little repute in communities, because they weaken the bodies of those who make their living at them by compelling them to sit and pass their days indoors. Some indeed work all the time by a fire. But when the body becomes effeminate the mind too is debilitated. Besides, these mechanical occupations leave a man no leisure to attend to his friends interests, or the public interest. This class therefore cannot be of much use to his friends or defend his country. Indeed, some states, especially the most warlike, do not allow a citizen to engage in these handicraft occupations.

 

Thomas Jefferson, Foley, ed., Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson, p. 318

 

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk.

 

 

The Ancients did not divorce the body from the mind. 2200 years later, Thomas Jefferson recognized the same thing. The body is not separate from the mind. There is no compartmentalization. Weak body, weak mind. Strong body, strong mind.

 

To strengthen the argument of the mechanics, Thomas Jefferson, furthermore, said pretty much the same thing:

 

The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body.I consider the class of artificers as the panderers of vice, and the instruments by which the liberties of a country are generally overturned.

(quoted in Liberty or Equality, Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddhin, pg 6, reference from Works, ed, Washington [New York: Derby and Jackson, 1859], I, 403.)

 

One can have all the academic excellence in the world but if the man doesnt have boldness in proclaiming it, whats it worth? St. Augustine said, It is not enough to be good, it is necessary to fight evil. To Fight requires manliness and boldness. What good is faith without manliness?

 

As to the question as why do communists want to destroy the ruggedness of the people? to take away their independence. Are the Boy Scouts of America slackening on the ruggedness of their boys training?

 

 

[mk9750 11]

Wheeler,

 

You appear to have an agenda. I seem to be not smart enough to figure it out. Can you fill me in?

 

And, would these posts not be more appropriate in the issues and politics section?

 

Mark

[OldGreyEagle 5]

Dont worry Mark, he found the Politics section as well.

 

And to think I shut off "The Darkness" video "A thing called love" just before I read this...

[WHEELER 10]

What are my issues?

 

Right now, the Boy Scouts of America are under attack. Why??? Have you done anything wrong?

 

Philosophy undergrids everything. Without understanding the whys and hows of things we lose understanding and then we drop things we shouldn't have.

 

Is there not a lot of false information out there. (I was just corrected in another post and I learned something.) What I'm doing is giving you ammunition to understand the philosophical basis of what Baden Powell took for granted that many Americans today don't know.

 

This is about giving you an intellectual basis for the things we believe in.

 

Right now there is no "Philosophy of being a Man". "A Philosophy of the Boy Scouts". Simpleness is not going to defend you or manhood or direct us to "TO DO OUR BEST".

 

It is also to BUTRESS, to give strength, to what we are accomplishing.

 

Also, we need to become more SCIENTIFIC. Raising and training boys is not an haphazard, willy-nilly, approach. Knowledge is needed for perfectness.

 

We need to start the ball rolling and develop a scientific and philosophical foundation of manhood. And understand history of manhood and its concepts. We need to become "MENTALLY AWAKE".

 

I suggested to the admin to start a Philosophical section.

 

As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living".

[Laurie 10]

Wheeler, welcome to the forums. I confess though to being puzzled at your posts. As I read them, I feel as though I am preached down to. You wrote, "This is about giving you an intellectual basis for the things we believe in." Are you a Scout or Scouter? I am a Cub Scouter and Scouter, and when it comes to Scouting, I understand the program fairly well, continue in training and in discussion with fellow Scouters to learn even more (often by discussion here on these forums), and I know from experience that the program that is effective. I'm not sure where philosophy fits into this, but I do know that singing silly songs with Cubs, watching Cubs and Scouts try out and learn new skills, seeing them all grow and mature in the safe atmosphere designed for success in Scouting provides opportunities for them to grow into capable young men who have who will hopefully continue to contribute positive things to society. That is what happens in the program. I don't need an argument in support of it and have not asked for one; I believe in the Scouting program and will support it because it works. "Raising and training boys is not an haphazard, willy-nilly, approach." How true. I would hope that you don't mean to imply that the program or the leaders are haphazard or willy-nilly? The BSA is anything but that. That is what appeals to me--the clearly though out design to address and provide for age-specific activities to address character, citizenship, and phyical fitness.

[Bob White 20]

"Also, we need to become more SCIENTIFIC. Raising and training boys is not an haphazard, willy-nilly, approach."

 

What?

 

What is your adult leader training experience with the BSA Wheeler?

 

Are you at all familiar with the training continuum, its elements and methodology?

 

What was the last scout leader training you attended?

 

What leadership position do you hold in scouting today?

 

You are to be credited for you ability to spout ancient philosophers with such ease. But what is your experience as an adult member of the BSA?

[NJCubScouter 1389]

While I may disagree with the BSA on a thing or two here or there, I personally think that the current Boy Scout Handbook (particularly as part of a program overseen by adults in accordance with the BSA's resources and training for adult leaders) gives a boy a pretty good start on "being a man" in the world of today. And whether or not you like the world of today, that's where we are. We're not trying to train the boys to be Genghis Khan.

[Fat Old Guy 11]

New Jersey Dude said, " I personally think that the current Boy Scout Handbook . . . "

 

Fat Old Guy completed the statement with, "is possibly the best written Boy Scout Handbook ever with more useful information than any other version. NOT!"

[NJCubScouter 1389]

FOG,

 

You a literary critic now too?

 

I didn't say the current Handbook was perfect. I am sure it could be improved and I am sure it will be whenever they come out with another edition. I also don't have a great deal to compare it with, it being the only edition my son has used, and my recollection of the editions I used as a youth has become somewhat hazy with the passage of large amounts of time. (Those being the one that was in use as of 1969, which you probably like, and the one that came out around 72-73, which you probably don't like.) I don't keep a collection of old handbooks to look at how things used to be. (Truth be told, my father does have such a collection, including my old ones. I think he has every BSA Scout Handbook except the first one, he also has such novelty items as the Lion-Webelos book from the 60s and Fieldbooks of various vintages. I suspect that these will come into my possession at some point but I am hoping it is not anytime soon.)

[Fat Old Guy 11]

"You a literary critic now too?"

 

We all are in our own way. You stated an opinion of the handbook, I stated mine.

 

Like your father, I have a good sized collection of Scout handbooks. Not as extensive as his, mine started with the 5th edition (the book not the singers). I have four Scoutmaster Handbooks, including the current one. I also have a few foreign handbooks.

 

The old books are interesting in that you can see how the program has changed over the years. The distressing thing is that after they screwed up the handbook, Green Bar Bill wrote a version that is wonderful. Did BSA keep that book? Did BSA simply update that book? Nope.

 

BSA seems to have fallen into the trap that public schools have fallen into. They find a need to get new books on a regular basis. My son's school has changed 7th grade math books three time in the past six years.

 

If you look at colleges, you don't see this trend unless a professor is trying to sell his own book. "Physics" by Halliday and Resnick has been in use since the early 70s because not much has changed in the world of basic physics. My father used Samulsen for Econ and so did I.

 

Do yourself a favor. Go visit your father's library and peruse a few of the older handbooks. Don't worry about requirements. Just look at the information in the books.

 

 

[Fat Old Guy 11]

I really must have killed too many brain cells in college. It's the Fifth Dimension and the New Edition. Argh!

 

 

[ozemu 10]

Maybe I am being a bit niave but I feel fairly secure in who I am and what I am doing in Scouting and with young people generally; even with girls in Scouting etc etc. And it is outrageously hot in my office so I think Ill use my time more profitably.

 

(did I spell that right? red hat spellchecker doesnt work real well for me so apologies all round)

 

Oh hang on - something interesting. Were US forces helping the white russians in 1919? I didnt know. I Have learned something after all. Not very useful but at least it is something.

[Big_Dog 10]

Wheeler,

My first thought about the post is: which happened first, the fall of communism in Russia, or the effeminization of the American male? The Bible concept will require looking into.

 

bd

[packsaddle 753]

Yep, I bit on the subject too. Here's a related diversion:

 

The newt is an interesting amphibian. The adult lives in the water and it lays its eggs in the water. They eat invertebrates, fish eggs, tadpoles, small crayfish, etc. The eggs hatch and the larvae eat tiny invertebrates, etc. until the summer when they leave the water and change to a stage called the 'eft'. This is the typical salamander that you often find in moist leaf litter or under logs. The eft does not have gills and it lives on land for 1-7 years eating insects, snails, etc. The skin of most (perhaps all) of these is poisonous. They are often red or reddish-brown in color. At maturity the color becomes more subdued and they re-enter the water to complete the life cycle. It is common in some lakes (Oregon for example) to see large numbers of these adults swimming to the surface and diving back to depth with no fear of predation by fish or birds. This is because their skin, too, is quite poisonous.

 

Why, you may ask, am I telling you this? The derivation of 'eft' comes from the word 'effete' which is in turn derived from latin 'effetus' (also the source of 'fetus'). 'Effete' is first defined in terms of fertility (rather lack thereof) and then related to weakness or decadence. It was this term that Spiro Agnew, for example, used to criticize student protest movements, "A spirit of national masochism prevails, encouraged by an impudent core of effete snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals." Spiro had such a way with words...and corruption.

 

Anyway, 'efts' are infertile and 'fetus' also has an element of lack of viability associated with it. 'Effete', being also related to 'effeminate' and synonymous with it, is not used often. 'Effeminate' has further taken on a pejorative character and today is usually applied to male humans. Again with attached connotations of weakness and lack of viability (lack of virility).

 

But I thought that the term's meanings, spanning the range of contemporary social interactions to amphibian life stages, was interesting and I wanted to share it with you here.(This message has been edited by packsaddle)

[WHEELER 10]

Who was protesting the war in Vietnam? The weak? Who dropped the virtue "The Scout is Loyal" when North Vietnam invaded the south and killed many of our former allies? WHO DID WE LEAVE TWISTING IN THE WIND TO THEIR FATE? Once our withdrawal from SW Asia, Pol Pot took control and killed one million of his people thanks to the College academia of California that in Willie Browns words fomented the anti-war movement and "leaders?" in Congress passed an amendment saying that we could no longer help the South Vietnamese. Between the ages of 13 and 15, I cried when Saigon fell and when we couldn't help these people. WE GAVE THESE PEOPLE UP TO BUTCHERS. When I was stationed onboard the USS CORAL SEA, we, in l980, were still picking up people fleeing that country.

 

How come there are 50,000 foreigners in the American military and women in the military?

 

Isn't there enough able-bodied American men to do the job or all of them are shirking their DUTY and letting women and foreigners do the job.

 

If you read the fall of the Roman Empire, one characteristic was that Roman citizens did not want to serve and many foreigners did.

 

How come we don't have "eunomia" in this country? Do you even know what this word is? How come the Constitution is being ignored? How come there is no obedience to it anymore?

 

This and much more will be answered in the post "Culture defines Politics" and will be posted in the Political section.