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Okay, I can get the 4-looper to work most of the time (still wrestling with the mental visualization part of it). An interesting knot forms in the middle when I do it right, but I can't quite decipher it.

 

Note: My Handbook of Knots by Des Pawson shows a Sheepshank Man 'O War with only 4 loops. Ashley's book also shows it with 4 loops (#1163-1165), although he does have a 5-loop sheepshank (#1166) he calls the "Two Hearts That Beat As One". Despite his illustration it's still eluding me. I'll practice some more later -- but for now the "honey-do" list bec(This message has been edited by ManyIrons)

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