le Voyageur 72 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 For those of you/us who survived the blood letting of the 20th century, congratulations. But, be aware that the insainity of democide continues on into this century, and that we'll be feeding our decendants to this curse...here's a rough body count for the 20th century.. Second World War 1937-45 50,000,000 Mao Zedong's regime 1949-76 48,250,000 Stalin's regime 1924-53 20,000,000 First World War 1914-18 15,000,000 Russian Civil War 1918-21 8,800,000 China, Warlord/Nationalist era 1917-37 4,000,000 Congo Free State 1900-08 3,000,000 Korean War 1950-53 2,800,000 2nd Indochia War 1960-75 2,700,000 Chinese Civil War 1945-49 2,500,000 German Expulsions, post WW II 1945-47 2,100,000 Second Sudanese Civil War 1983- 1,900,000 Congolese Civil war 1998- 1,700,000 Khmer Rouge 1975-79 1,650,000 Afghanistan Civil War 1980-2000 1,575,000 Ethiopian Civil Wars 1962-92 1,400,000 Mexican Revolution 1910-20 1, 250,000 East Pakistan Massacres 1971 1,250,000 Iran-Iraq War 1980-88 1,000,000 Nigeria-/Biafran revolt 1967-70 1,000,000 Mozambique 1976-92 800,000 Rwandan Massacres 1994 800,000 French-Algerian War 1954-62 650,000 First Indochia War 1945-54 600,000 India-Pakistqan Partition 1947 500, 000 Indonesia (massacre of communists) 1965-67 500,000 Angolan Civil War 1975-94 500,000 First Sudanese Civil War 1955-72 500,000 Decline of Amazonian Indians 1900-99 500,000 Spanish Civil War 1936-39 365,000 Somalia Civil War 1991- 350,000 North Korea, Communist Regime 1948- unknown Note: not included are the numbers for narco terrorisms, or some of the lesser conflicts such as the Tanker war, Panama, the Falkland war, etc.... But, if get the time, I'll start compiling the ongoing body count for this century a little later... Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 OK, a lot of people die in wars. That's bad. People should make nice and not fight. But I am not sure what you are suggesting to remedy the situation. If you are hinting at the answer in the title of the thread, "Death by Government," I am not sure what that means. Do you think eliminating government is going to end war? People would probably kill each other even more. Unfortunately it seems that there is something in our human nature that makes some people put their own interests, desires, fears, ideology, whatever, ahead of the preservation of human life. I think human nature also prompts people to band together to form states and governments, if only for protection against other states and non-state threats. So if your implication is that if we suddenly adopt some anarchist utopia, all the problems will go away, I disagree, and I don't that such a utopia is going to happen, at least not for a long time. By the way, I noticed that the entire Middle East conflict (or series of conflicts) does not seem to be on this list. A lot of people have died in that one too, though it may not reach the numbers of the other entries on your list. Link to post Share on other sites
eisely 13 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 le Voyageur, What's the point here? What is democide other than a coined word? Is it supposed to mean something? Link to post Share on other sites
le Voyageur 72 Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 First, I'm not implying anything, nor do I have a solution...democide simply means "death by government" which includes both mass murder and genocide. Figure, that since over the years that I have acquired a useless mass of meaningless information that I would share and pass it along, just in case some of you end up on Jeopardy... However, I've always found it fascinating in exploring the dark underbelly of governments, one of which is the killing of it's citizens besides in wars, but either through it's justice sytems, or in purges.... But, if I was looking for a Utopia, I would simply head out to Roswell, and see if I couldn't get a lift to another world...since, as long as there are humans, there will never be a utopia. It's just not in our gene's to be anything greater than the animals that we are... Link to post Share on other sites
Adrianvs 10 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Wouldn't "democide" translate roughly to "murder of population" or "murder of rabble" to give a more Greek slant? It's difficult because the "demos" is a Greek term and "-cide" seems to be a Latin one. Perhaps there is another meaning for "demos" in Latin, however. I do agree on the monumental bloodshed of the twentieth century. I have followed the philosophy and political theory that preceded that century in my studies. It was supposed to be a apex of human civilization. Once we got rid of the "superstitions" and embraced the "scientific" truths of human government, all our problems will be solved. Of course, we have to break a few eggs to make our utopian omlet.. Well, here are the broken eggs, but where is the omlet? These governments are the bastard children of Nietzche and Marx who were the bastard children of Schopenhauer and Hegel, respectively. They, of course, were the bastard children of Kant. Using hindsight admittedly, I must state that I could have seen this coming for centuries. heh.. Regarding the broken eggs, I would like to try to put some things in perspective. Many of the regimes listed below are defended by people who throw around terms like "the Inquisition" to justify the crimes of the 20th century and any future crimes that may be committed in the name of dogmatic progressivism (often international socialism). By most historians estimates, the inquisitions killed 4,000 people over the course of 350 years. They never used torture, either. Those stories were false political propaganda against the Spaniards. Every time I hear a junior Stalinist throwing the word "inquisitions" around like an epithet, I think of the millions massacred and starved to death by forced famines and I can't help but shake my head..(This message has been edited by Adrianvs) Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Commucide or Deutchercide, or even Africide seem to be the highlights of the 20th Century. The peace loving American people sure don't measure up against these European, Asian, and African killing machines. Hmmm. Mao, Uncle Joe, and Adolf didn't go it alone. They had hundreds of thousands of willing executioners. Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 In the 1760's the Pottawatomi wiped the Illiniwek from the face of the earth, every man, woman, and child of them. The Pottawatomi then roamed the entire length of Illinois from Chicago to Prophetstown. Did this not happen between tribes throughout earlier history across the continent? Don't even try to say it didn't occur. Law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. Instead of all this "bad white man stuff", the costner movie and the rest of it.... Would the white people who arrived in Jamestown and all the other points be descended from the tribes of Europe. Instead of bad white people, wouldn't it be more correct to say the descendants of the Picts, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Goths, Visogoths, Vandals, Hun, etc formed a confederation and that tribe now rules the jungle? Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Could the Indian tribes been guilty of making huge, big HUGE, political mistakes the last 250 years that got them where they are today? 1760's - French and Indian War. The Americans and the British fought the French and who? Well the French and their allies didn't win. You don't get rewarded for fighting on the losing side. 1770's - The American Revolution. The Americans fought against the British and their Indian allies, you guessed it, the British and their allies lost again. The Tories and the Indians were not looked on highly after the war. The War of 1812. The British, Canadians, and Indians try to take out the new country. But Ole Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise, if we didn't fire our muskets til we looked 'em in the eyes. They burned our capitol, but the British were sent back across the pond and their Indian Allies who murdered farmers and settlements up and down the frontier, weren't looked highly upon once more. Civil War. The Indians fought with the Confederate Army. For one hundred years they choose the wrong side in every war. If they backed the Good Old Americans when they should have, they might not have been in the pickle they were in around 1870-1890. Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Old Guy 11 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Sounds like you're a pacifist. BTW democide isn't in my OED or found in at dictionary.com. Link to post Share on other sites
le Voyageur 72 Posted January 10, 2004 Author Share Posted January 10, 2004 FOG, by now you should know that the English language is constanly changing, with dozens of new words being added almost daily...get a pencil and enter it in your OED, hey... As for being a pacifist...I think not. Just keeping my eye on the greatest enemy that any freeman has which are the governments that claim rule over them... Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Old Guy 11 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 The problem is that your word makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites
le Voyageur 72 Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 If everything made sense, then where is the mystery ? Or the fun of discovery... Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Old Guy 11 Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Sounds like something that an old "herbal" practitioner would say. Link to post Share on other sites
le Voyageur 72 Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 Sew FOG......you still believe the earth is flat, hey... Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Old Guy 11 Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 According to my level it is but what does that have to do with words that have no meaning. Link to post Share on other sites
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