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THEORY From BSA "talking points" The BSA is a representative democracy .Local councils elect representatives to the National Council, which in turn, sets policy. The BSA procedural methods for input are well-established. As a private organization, the BSA conducts its affairs according to its charter, articles of incorporation, and bylaws. The National Council operates just like local councils. Governance is provided by an elected executive board composed of volunteers. The BSA is a representative democracy that considers diversity of opinions invaluable.
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This would be a very useful discussion if one were studying math, algebra, geometry or considering purchasing a Micky D's franchise. I don't see much of value here with regard to the BSA. In fact, I'm not sure I see the relevance of much here to anything. If we're talking about disparity in treatment of St Jean and Smith (and I believe way back there, we were), there may or may not have been. However, if anyone expects the BSA to operate anymore perfectly than any other organization, they are being unrealistic. I have said before that the men who run BSA are the professionals, b
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"She was screaming over how could BSA let a pervert be in charge of Youth Protection." An emotional response based on a shoratge of facts...not unlike your own response. As all the later reports show the BSA had no knowledge of Smith's behavior until after the results of the FBI investigation were completed. Do have evidence otherwise? Because no one else does. Baden-Powell developed the Scouting ideals and its methods including the boy lead program, he did not design or develop the American scouting movement. There are over two hundred scouting programs in the world and they are ne
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The sad thing is that you're never going to hear "complaints" about alot of these issues - like Smith. The people that reacted negatively to it simply will not go near BSA. Anyone hear the rant on Fox by Greta Von Whatever the day that story broke?...and this was FOX the all-American network.....She was screaming over how could BSA let a pervert be in charge of Youth Protection. How many people that MIGHT have been interested in Scouting decided - "no....I don't think so" after that? As far as Owasippe, most Scouters don't have a clue that is happening - unless their own Council
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BSA Chicago "Representative Democracy " (NOT)
Prairie_Scouter replied to jkhny's topic in Issues & Politics
The information in the original post came largely from the district newsletter published by the Fort Dearborn district of the Chicago Area Council. Although the tone reflects the frustration of the author, the facts of the story itself are coming from several writers who apparently attended the meeting. I wouldn't think that a district newsletter would allow blatant misrepresentations of fact about their home council to be published. Smith and St. John are a different topic, to be sure. It does seem that the CAC leaders are playing with the rules a bit to protect their power positio -
From the "Camp Kilworth bites the dust" thread "This land is worth millions of dollars but, there's a catch, BSA doesn't own it. In this case, the deed stipulates that if the camp is not maintained and used by the "Tacoma area Boy Scouts", the ownership of the property will revert back to the Kilworth heirs. BSA can't sell the property because it doesn't own it. To get around this provision, the local council has struck a deal with a few representatives of the Kilworth family. BSA will give back the property if the Kilworths will cut them in for a major portion of the profits. They'
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"If a Scout Camp is sold and nobody is there to complain, has it really been sold? " Nobody ever joined BSA because a camp WASN'T there. Many have joined because one was. I had a friend who joined our Troop after hearing stories about our first summer at Scout Camp. My youngest couldn't wait to get into Cub Scouts to go to the same place his brother was going to Day Camp - the place we are now selling. Fewer and fewer members are the primary problem Scouting now faces - and a trend leadership has failed even to slow. BSA may have the unquestioning loyalty of some but it
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The assets of a council and the assets of the BSA are not the same. The council is an independent corporation from the BSA. The BSA does not own your camps. The Council owns your camps, unless it is a national camp within your council such a Philmont. A council has assets, they also have income and expenditures. One way that a council can gain income is by converting physical assets to cash income. For instance. A council can no longer afford to operate munltiple properties. So they take the property that is either the most difficult to upgrade, the most valuable on the market, or has th
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I can't speak to all of jk's assertions, but the Chicago press was pretty clear in it's coverage that the vote to sell Owasippe by the CAC was done in a way that seemed quite a bit out of the norm. The vote was done by phone, covering the minimum numbers of voters to carry the vote, with a large number of other voters not contacted.
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My son just got back from a week at 3 Fires Council, Camp Freeland Leslie. The boys really like the camp. It has a First Class Trail, COPE Course & High Adventure. It is up by the Wisconsin Dells, not far from Devil's Lake SP. Part of the camp's High Adventure program is climbing & rappelling at Devil's Lake & canoeing in the Dells. The Troop took 1 day off to go to Devil's Lake & hike the cliffs. You might also consider Chicago Council's Owasippe. It might be a bit longer of a trip as it is northwest of Grand Rapids, outside of Whitehall, MI, but it is a historic ca
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Hey, the Chicago Area Council runs Camp Owasippe in Michigan. Next year is probably the last year and will be the 95th anniversary of the camp (established in 1911). They have a bid on the camp, sold out from under us scouts & scouters, but it's gorgeous, the camp staff run a bunch of great programs and scouts do earn some merit badges. And it's right near the Manistee Forest. If interested, they are taking reservations now for the summer of 2006.
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As a Scout went to Owasippe in Whitehall, MI. I am sad to see that the CAC is trying to sell it. The camp was seperated into different campsite areas. Our troop always stayed in Wolverine South. We had a lot of fun razzing those yankees from Wolverine North. Presently, the troop I am with attends Camp Lefeber in Laona, Wi. I can't make it this year. This too makes me sad.
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This indeed is sad news. I'm from the Gerald R. Ford council whose camp, Camp Gerber is literally right around the corner from Owasippe. (I'm not sure if the property lines abut or not.) I fear the crystal clear nights may soon be drown out by the lights of development.
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I am sorry your first post has to relay such sad news about a continuing and growing problem. While I have never been to Owasippe, I do join you in mourning the loss of scouting opportunities for future generations. On the bright side, our 2,000+ acre Council camp property was just this month placed in a land trust to forever protect it from development.
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Your local OA Lodge is Owasippe Lodge #7. At least one of the chapters should have a ceremonial team that can do this in full native dress. This is a service project for lodges and there should be no charge unless to cover the cost of some type of totem is given to the boys. -
I brought our troop to Owasippe back in about 1979 as an ASM. Great camp. I worked at a camp that is no longer around. Kishwaukee Scout Reservation was located just north of Dekalb, IL. It was the summer camp for Calumet Council, located just south of Chicago. It wasn't the best camp, but it was ours. The council sold it off, and today they have no council camp to go to. I think it's a shame for a council to have no summer camp to offer the boys. I am now in Arizona, where there are 4 camps, 3 of which are used for summer camps (I believe).
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yeah - my Tap Out at Owasippe summer camp in the 1960's was grand. I didn't know, but had a pretty good idea... The campfire was down at the beach. A fire was viewed out on the lake, and it drew closer. It was visitors with 3 canoes & torches. They landed, and then circled our campfire. As they circled, a telltale hand was placed over our head. They stopped, turned and pulled us out. Then tapped - it was AWESOME - We had a Council "call out" at a local county fair grounds... You were invited to attend, so you knew - duh. The ceremonial team did a good job of telling the sto
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I have another comment not related to the replies so far. If you want to get people to read your threads, you need to think more carefully about your title. I do not have anything to do with the Chicago Council, so it is only happenstance that I opened this thread (most of us have time limitations, and do not read every thread on the forum). For all I knew, you were just looking for another troop to collaborate in a local service project. Try something like "Camp Owasippe is being closed down. Help!" or something else to get people's attention. I have watched some threads take off a
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Owasippe Scout Reservation Whitehall Michigan owned and operated by the Chicago Area Council We have three resident camps as well as a family camp. We also have a High Adventure Base which offers week long Backpack treks in the Manistee National Forest, a Canoe/Backpack combo, (walk some paddle some) and a week long Horse Trek, you rid'em you feed'em you care for'em. It's been around since 1911.
