Dedicated Dad

Quiz http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/conqa.html

I'm so happy you are doing this, mom! Good Luck! Hope this helps. It's quiz time. http://www.nhccs.org/quiz.htm

http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/local_regional/milf_scouts03082002.htm MILFORD - Pack 4 Cub Scouts held their annual Blue and Gold Banquet recently at St. Mary of the Assumption Church, its sponsoring organization. Named for the traditional colors of Cub Scouting, the Blue and Gold Banquet celebrates the achievements of individual Scouts as they continue their trek through scouting, as well as the group achievements of each of the Pack's 14 dens. More than 100 Scouts participated in this year's banquet. Father Michael Foley delivered the benediction. Central to each

In the past 13 years that I have worked with the youth staff of a summer camp, never once have I seen any difference in the behavior of kids with piercings versus kids without. Anecdotal evidence to be sure. Now if piercings are OK, eyebrow, nose and tongue included, then painted finger nails, tattoos, purple hair, and womens clothing must be OK should there be no exhibited behavioral problems, right?

There was valuable advice, yours included DD, at the beginning. Its still the same. Dedicated Dad why do you persist in bring up women's undergarments and clothing. Oh my, surely you Paul have the capacity to understand my analogy. Its all about the SMs arbitrary (likely troop) rule concerning appearance, are you with me so far? Sometimes, to demonstrate a point we use the extreme case to test its legitimacy, Bob, NJ and apparently you dont seem to get that point. Bob, like you, misunderstands the reference to a dress refers to cross dressing and not whether Malaysian Scouts wear sarongs or

It is NOT the responsibility of the BSA to define what acceptable personal grooming is. This isn't the Armed Forces. Personally, I don't like guys wearing earrings. The problem is that the extremes will always be tested. Nose and eyebrow rings, purple hair and tattoos, painted nails and womens clothing, would your district, local council, or the National Council approve of these extremes? You dont need to be in the armed forces to have rules for appearance.

No rule was adopted here. A SM decided arbitrarily that a boy should not be Eagle because of his hair. Now whos taking facts not in evidence? It would seem youve proven your case using circumstantial evidence, is that your bench ruling using a preponderance of doubt? I will agree, however, that the rule has not been presented as existing or not. Im also not familiar with the rule that rules on appearance only come from the PLC, in fact, I would contend appearance rules more likely would come from the committee and CO rather than the PLC. And how hard would it be for the SM to lobby for such a

We are talking hair length and it would be apreciated if you stuck to the topic. It is about personal appearance nest pas? You contend that painted fingernails, tattoos, purple hair and are permitted, why not womens clothing? You cant answer that can you? You cannot keep this scout from advancing due to hairlength. Any District, Council or National Board of review will over turn you (as they laugh at you) for such a hideous misuse of your responsibilities as an adult leader. You live and die by the regs, where does it say any hair length is permissible? Where? I have to go now. Please feel f

Steps in Advancement Third, the Scout is reviewed. The purpose of the review is to ensure that all requirements for advancement have been met. This includes a check of the Scout's attitude and practice of the ideals of Scouting, in addition to his Scoutcraft skills. The decision regarding whether a Scout has met the required standards to qualify for rank advancement begins with the troop and, for the Eagle Scout rank, is approved by the district, local council, and finally, the National Council. What are the ideals of Scouting you ask? The oath and law. If being obedient means following

I have made it clear I care about the BSA rules, and a troop CANNOT write regs that change or oppose BSA regs. Im not an expert like you but how does a troop rule, If one existed like this one, change or oppose BSA regs? There are no rules against any of the things you mentioned except possible dresses and I have a photo from a World Jamboree that you might be interested in with scouts in sarongs, skirts and dresses. Then lets say just a bra and panties for the extreme argument sake but its OK if you want to defend cross dressing. Why is a dress against the rules if there is no requirement f

Hehehe...The edit function never ever, never, never, never works! Who cares what the troop rule is. You obviously don't!.

What are you talking about? Troop rules. Do they exist or not? If they exist can they be broken without consequence? Can you answer that question?Who cares what the troop rule is. You obviously. I challenge you to find one iota of reference to hair length Find me a reference that says painted fingernails, purple hair, tattoos, nose and eyebrow piercings and wearing dresses is not fitting the image of an Eagle scout? I'm disappointed that you would put your personal predjudices Im disappointed that you would insinuate such a thing, you and jmcquillan have got to stop your conspiracy theorie

A Scout is Obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.What are troop rules? Can there be troop rules for personal appearance? If a scout thinks the rules are unfair isnt it his obligation to change them himself and not having an adult intervene for him? Talk about it amongst yourselves, Ill get back to you.

Bob, Im on your side on this one. If you read the other links youd see I asked exactly the same questions. I also asked exactly where in the regs does it say no adult supervision or tour permit is needed for patrol activities? Can you cite the page and book?

DedicatedDad is also perhaps assuming some things about your life that we don't actually know. Perhaps you are Bill Gates' only son and don't have to worry about how you are going to survive in this world. I dont think this is an appropriate message to send our youth, BSA or not. If youre Bill Gates' only son you dont have to worry about how to respectfully take direction from your teachers or if you have enough money you dont have to be obedient to anyone but yourself or you can do what ever you want when ever you want? and as jmcquillan says, it might be appropriate to have an adult interm

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"on their own" which means without adult supervision All good points but Im not sure the adult supervision thing has been resolved here or come to a consensus. I agree that the patrol should be able to plan and execute such trips without adults, but then theres the tour permit debate here and here and...

I see no compelling reason to cut your hair, you certainly have the right to complete your Eagle however you want while remaining inside the rules, let the chips fall where they may. I think youre on solid ground here to make this happen on your terms. With that said and assuming you get your way, Id like to ask you what lesson will you take away from this experience, is achieving your goals strictly on your terms the best way to finish? Do you think your Scoutmaster is making an unreasoned request? A subjective merit system is not involved with the Scout program, its pass/fail and for good r

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State/Regional http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/85137 Scouts honor Cub who saved mother's life The Associated Press Monday, March 4, 2002 Like many 9-year-old boys, Conner Shaddix loves dogs, swimming and Playstation football games. But on Saturday night, about 400 Cub Scouts and their parents gathered to celebrate an act of courage that sets Conner apart from others his age. Conner saved his mother's life. Last April, he awoke one morning to the sound of his mother, Charlotte Shaddix, moaning. His father, Steven, was away on a busi

Dad, were you a scout back then? Yes, if you were a scout in the Chicago Area Council, we probably went to the same summer camp up nort in Wisconsin, darned if I cant remember its name. I went to the College of DuPage for Radiologic Technology My moms an alumni of CofD and my grandfather was a radiologist, thats a qwinky dink.

We aren't supposed to discuss sex or sexuality with the boys. While obeying the rules and remaining in the spirit of scouting by not trying to bend the rules, what can we do as scouters to support parents in encouraging the boys to abstain from sexual activity until the appropriate time? Mike, Im not sure how relevant B-Ps writings are to todays policies but these words are from his book Aids to Scoutmastership and they seem fitting to your query. this subject has led to the moral and physical wreckage of many lives. This is only too true, and I can testify from a fairly wide experien

I think they were the guys who always mopped up in Illinois High School Swimming Competition Yep, in 76 we won state in swimming-11 yrs in a row, gymnastics-6yrs in a row, tennis-5 in a row and soccer, plus the girls won tennis and swimming. Six 5A state championships in one year was pretty remarkable, too bad I wasnt on any of those teams. But now that I think about it, did you ever try to find Peabody's tomb? OGE, thank you, you really made me smile! I havent thought about Peabodys tomb in 25 years and yes, I mean no, I mean we looked! We found the Seminarys Cemetery but were too scared t

OGE, I thought you lived in Melrose Park which was in our athletic conference, West Suburban specifically. Hinsdale Central HS here til 76

You don't believe people of different color or race should have equal rights? AGAIN mom, watch youre innuendo, this again is out of line. Just because you put a question mark at the end of a sentence doesnt mean it isnt an accusation.