Dedicated Dad

cj, I do so love your songs and I have to say my very favorite is My Country, Tis of The. Its been long enough that I couldnt begin to remember the last stanza and how much it means to me, thank you for singing it. Since youve got so much time on your hands would you mind singing it in its entirety?

and I, too, have noticed that several people seem to have quite a bit of time on their hands. Oh my, the nerve of those several people, how dare they have more time than me. Lets see here, last Friday before the close I went long 1K shares of GE at 38.12 and sold Monday at 39.00 also right before the close, that evening I made dinner early and then took #1 son to our wrestling practice until 8:30. Tuesday I placed a limit order on SWFT for 21.00 and the price never reached my bid so did have a lot of time that day but we had our seeding meeting for the upcoming championships and I didnt get h

OK OGE, Where bouts did you go to High School, Leyden, or Proviso East?

HOW does it weaken traditional marriages? (Revisited)It weakens the concept of the traditional, best equipped, ideal family unit. It weakens the traditional family unit because giving equal status perverts the concept of a man/woman relationship and its role in survival of the species. Based on the procreative aspects of marriage the best equipped family is one that has both a stable man and woman for parenting, each to give the lessons and values unique to each gender, giving equal status weakens this concept down the raod. And, because it is the best equipped family unit it is the ideal fa

Asked and answered mom!

They're defending free speech, they aren't advocating anything about age of consent laws. Of course it does, its like defending those who advocate the right to scream fire in the theater or to demonstrate in a public forum to say, kill the Jews. Youre defending the right to coerce illegal activity. And no, gay marriage doesn't affect other marriages; some churches have performed gay marriages for years. I dont see the connection, how does one affect the other? A conflict of religion and states interests if I ever saw one.

If your case is allowing same-gender marriages, please explain how that is a threat to a traditional marriage. Wow mom, not were defending same-sex marriage? It weakens the concept of the traditional, best equipped, ideal family unit. Dont forget its immoral and should not be legally recognized as having the same status as traditional marriage, also please insert usual analogy of how incestual marriage doesnt deserve the same status. Please also state a case of age of consent laws being done away with by the ACLU. Umm. That would be in their defense of NAMBLA! What do you think?

OGE, youre missing the point entirely and your analogy is loaded. But thats OK, we can still be friends.

Now that I've been drawn into this debate I would like to ask you a question. Let me preface my comments with the statement that I am strongly in favor of seperation of church and state. I do not want government in my religion. Like being drawn into the proverbial bug zapper isnt it? Please lay out for us how, in this instance, specifically how government is in your religion. My question to you is: In plain lanquage why is it so important to YOU that the Ten Commandments be posted on public property? This is a sincere and honest question. Respectfully Paul, Im not sure that you ever responde

There is a fundamental difference between universal and absolute, for example. Do I propose that there are no universal moral imperatives? Alas, correct. Alas, I concur. Unfortunately, as Im sure you already know, were not talking about obligatory rules of moral conduct universally accepted around the world and Im surprised you would frame your opening paragraph around that false premise. Or is it me? If Im guilty of poor writing that gave you that assumption please save your ink, I dont think for an instance that everyone accepts exactly the same things as moral or immoral. The question of a

Oh my my, throw a little red meat out there and you never know what kind of carrion eaters it will attract. BTW, Mr. LeRoy, defend the ACLU defending NAMBLA.

North says he supports posting Ten Commandments Retired Lt. Col. Oliver North signs autographs for Boy Scouts Daniel Tucker, 10, left, Jacob Schilz, 10, and Johnquez Waggoner, 14, at a patrons' luncheon for the Boy Scouts at the Renaissance Hotel. By JIM EAST Staff Writer Wilson County commissioners made sense Monday night when they unanimously voted to support posting the Ten Commandments in public buildings, conservative radio talk show host Oliver North said yesterday. North, in Nashville as the keynote speaker for the annual patron luncheon of the Middle Tennessee

mom, I'm pleased you are using the compass in your lessons. Dont forget to learn about magnetic north and declination. Here is a site that will calculate the declination reference field for you, hope it helps. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/e_cgrf.html

Dedicated Dad, I've read your posts in many places, to my great enjoyment and benefit. Here, alas, mom was right. You lessen yourself and the uniform you wear with your acid. Debate, argue, contest, rebut, enjoy!, but maybe joust a little more gently. Big Beard, Im only going to respond to a couple things here because much of it has already been covered in depth. One, if morality is individual or cultural then by your definition there exists nothing in this world that is universally moral or immoral and I reject that premise in its entirety. Even tjhmmr acknowledges some things are absolutely

Sorry NJ, I went to publik public school. I dint lern to sel to gude.

Hey Brad, Hey Scoutmom, I checked some statistics and the most recent I could find are from 1996, but I would suspect they are not much different than today. Home School 2.7%Private School 11.1%Publik School 86.2%Now if those who dont publik school are 43.5% here at Scouter.com and the national average is 13.8% that would be an increase of 215.2% of Scouters over the national average. In contrast, if those who publik school are 56.5% and the national average is 86.2% that would be a decrease of 34.5% of Scouters under the national average. Yes the majority of Scouters still use the Publik

Well, I'll just have to point out that the courts don't agree with your arguments; Not in every Circuit. And like I said, cert. denied is not a precedent. not posting your religious tenets on government property doesn't infringe on your first amendement rights, because it isn't a public forum. You're free to post them on your own property, or carry a sign all day if you like. Back to this again? Where is the governmental endorsement of religion, its not in there! It being used as a basis of inspiration not an endorsement. Apples and oranges. And you still haven't reconciled the first comman

Bump to that BOB!

Dedicated Dad, could you point me to more information about the U.S. laws being based on the Ten Commandments? Are there specific books or authors that you know of that address this subject? I am very interested in reading more about this. Mom, I dont know where to begin other than Im excited for your interest. I would use Google and start with a search for each amendment that youre interested in. No, start with the Constitution, its not light reading but not too long to get through. If you read John Adams you should have no problem with the Constitution, it would be cake for you! Then do you

Which is exactly why the TEN commandments don't deserve Oops, I missed that little jab, its not up to you and the ACLU to determine who or what is deserving of states interest. If you want to have your say, try running for office.

Which is exactly why the TEN commandments don't deserve to be posted by the government; many of them directly contradict the constitution. Again irrelevant. If the Ten Commandments were/are a basis of inspiration for law, as it was for our founding fathers (Jefferson, even though a Deist) to even write the constitution, its tenets are immaterial to the promotion of religion and have nothing to do with the establishment clause. And no, legislators do NOT have the authority to promote their constituents' religious views. Not the point and repeating it over and over wont make it applicable t

But such a display should not allow your "Gods are myths" sign, because that is a purely religious (anti-religious) statement not consistent with the context of the display. Bob, I respectfully disagree. You can find the law in Capitol Square Review and Advisory Board v. Pinette if youre talking about a temporary/non-permanent sign.

And yet, here I am, having been at various times a member of both. (I let my ACLU dues lapse awhile back.) And why does that not surprise me?

As far as I know, it's still in litigation; I think your example only helps my position, since atheists have to file lawsuits to get their point of view displayed in the same manner as religious points of view. If it was a real public forum, anyone could put up their views WITHOUT having to sue for the right to be heard on the same basis as anyone else. Its the states interests that would weigh on permanent monuments and indeed that would support my point. This is obviously a false reason, as it's always the ten commandments that gets pushed, instead of English common law or the Magna Carta o

FYI, Ive got access to software that searches the headlines for BSA related news. Quite often it has news different than Terrys news Headlines page and vise versa. As long a Terry doesnt mind Ill continue to post these articles as there have been several Scouters here who have been linked to or close to the subject matter.