Dedicated Dad

the question you ask "Who is the BSA program is flawed. "what is the BSA program" would be more accurate. Not really, you clarified it nicely at the end of your post, its a who and it is the appeals Board of Review, now all you have to do is tell me who sits on it and where its cited in the SM handbook. There isn't one, nor is there a rule that says they are not OK. the rule that does exist and that was sited early on is that you cannot "add to" or "subtract from" any requirement in the advancement program. Lets see here, we have two mutually exclusive points here. One, if a rule doesnt exi

So, DedicatedDad, nothing about jewelry on your list, I see. Umm its been discussed in depth on the other thread, may I direct you to The Redundancy Office for the Department of Redundancy for a position statement? Dedicated Dad, you still have not stated what YOU believe is Traditional/Family values. Mom, Ill bet you a special delivery ice cream feast at your summer camp this summer, for you and your troop, that you can give my exact position on each and every one of the issues I stated previously. I only made the list as a staring point for discussion, there are certainly many more issu

Bob, thanks for copying and pasting that lengthy NEB organizational chart but it has no information to my query. You said: the BSA program will defend the boy from such obvious abuse and advance the scout without your signature. My question is specifically, who is THE BSA PROGRAM in the case of the CO who abused? i.e. BSA Program vs. Abusing CO in this particular case? Is it National, Council, District or what? And, what cases can you cite that the BSA Program has litigated against said COs, and assumably won, to advance the Scout in opposition to COs membership regulations against long hair

Those definitions are written in every Boy Scout Handbook. Bob, where does it say the part about allowing body piercing and hair length? Where? This is youre answer: The traditions of scouting lay in our Duty to God and Country, Duty to Others and Duty to self. Is this not your interpretation for allowing these behaviors? The Scout Oath and Scout Law are defined by the Boy Scouts of America not by the Chartering Organization. With all due respect to your many years in service, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand the CO cant make interpretations of the Oath and La

Refuse for such predjudicial reasons as earrings or hairlength, and the BSA program will defend the boy from such obvious abuse and advance the scout without your signature. Bob, still struggling with definitions are we? How can prejudice be against behavior? Further, can you cite any particular cases where the BSA program has defended the alleged abuse? Who is the BSA program anyway, is it National, Council, District or the CO?

The Edit function, it mocks me!

This is a tricky one. Despite what some may say even atheists, gays and "others" do believe in some of the same values. So do murderers and rapists for that matter. I like NJs suggestion, lets see the list. It would be easier to list an issue and discuss its traditional family values aspects than to try and define centuries of moral and ethical ideals. Abortion AIDS Christian Bigotry Cloning Condoms Available in School Drug Legalization Education Euthanasia Promiscuity Hate Crimes Legal Prostitution Prayer in School Homosexual Agenda Liberal Media Bias

rhetorictician I looked this one up in the dictionary and couldnt find the definition. It would seem you are being a subliminable justificator trying to confuse me with your strategary.

If acting on feeling is a bad thing, then ok, I am bad. Youre not bad OGE, just a little confused about how you arrived at the reasons, reasoning is our basis for defense. Im sure you can answer this question. I love Mrs. OldGreyEagle because

http://www.scouting.org/excomm/values/index.html Try reading all the links here. You will be surprised to find the answer to your previous poll.

I wish I could edit my posts.

and why I love this one, I cant defend, I selected the one I "felt" best about. Thats some interesting Word Aikido but I suspect a little more went into the processes. Like, All the models had similar repair records, and Love are objective realities and defendable. You love her becausethis car is better because Obviously you have reasons for your decisions and thats not just my feeling. Surely the lovely and gracious Mrs. Old Grey Eagle was not chosen on an irrational basis, there must have been some logical factors which contributed to your decision. Im pretty sure she would be surprised to

As a female leader am I allowed to wear my earrings when in uniform? Am I allowed to wear makeup? Are you suggesting that boys and girls are the same? Or let's look at the flip side -- maybe I should HAVE TO wear makeup because that is the "standard" for women in the United States? Just curious, how could a woman wearing make-up be considered against traditional values? BTW OGE, do you usually make decisions based on "feelings" you can't defend, is that a good idea?

The traditions of scouting lay in our Duty to God and Country, Duty to Others and Duty to self. Agreed, its all in the oath and law. Not in our choice of hairstyle or jewelry. I respect a chartering organization's right to set its own membership requirements that upholds its ideals and beliefs. Obviously not! The only respect you have is for your personal interpretation of the membership requirements. The units have the right to make membership policies on the basis of considerations such as group size and youth behavior and they dont need the Bob White interpretation of this clear and comp

Nope, just no ACLU would be fine by me. Its not a big stretch of the imagination to see the Klaus VonBullow's and the NAMBLAs of the world go without representation as any great loss to society, surly the traditional values civil libertarian JDs would pick up the slack.

The Boy Scouts of America have regulations controling proper uniforming, we leave accessorizing and hairstyling to the legal parental authorities, not to the personal prejudices of adult volunteers. Bob, Im a little troubled by this statement and I was wondering if you could clarify a couple points? First of all arent accessorizing and hairstyle considered to be behavioral choices, and if they are behavioral choices and if the troop rules do not permit such behaviors then it really doesnt matter whether the parents approve or not, does it? At what point, in your expert opinion, does the acces

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/03/14749571.shtml?Element_ID=14749571 254 Boy Scouts receive Eagle award at ceremony The highest distinction from the Boy Scouts of America the rank of Eagle was awarded to 254 teens in ceremonies yesterday at Vanderbilt University's Langford Auditorium. ''Nationally, only 2% of all Scouts earn the Eagle rank,'' said Marty Dickens, president of the Middle Tennessee Council Executive Board. ''The Eagles we salute proudly join an honored group of more than one million young men who have earned the rank since 1911.'' Eagle is the

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-ed/2002/mar/10/513153668.html March 10, 2002 'Good Turn' program unites Boy Scouts, Goodwill By Ed Koch LAS VEGAS SUN Some people would give the shirts off their backs to help those in need, and that's the type of generosity Las Vegas area Boy Scouts and Goodwill of Southern Nevada are hoping for. The two charitable agencies have teamed up for "Good Turn Day" next Saturday to collect tons of clothing to be sold in Goodwill Thrift Stores to help fund the agency that provides jobs for the physically and mentally disabled of S

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-ed/2002/mar/10/513153668.html March 10, 2002 'Good Turn' program unites Boy Scouts, Goodwill By Ed Koch LAS VEGAS SUN Some people would give the shirts off their backs to help those in need, and that's the type of generosity Las Vegas area Boy Scouts and Goodwill of Southern Nevada are hoping for. The two charitable agencies have teamed up for "Good Turn Day" next Saturday to collect tons of clothing to be sold in Goodwill Thrift Stores to help fund the agency that provides jobs for the physically and mentally disabled of S

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Mom, I assume you have the link to meritbadge.com but just in case you dont here it is. http://www.meritbadge.com/home.htm At the bottom of each page there are usually lots of links to support sites. http://www.meritbadge.com/bsa/mb/003.htm

And I PROMISE to keep all personal political conversation out of the discussions. I was going to say something but Im glad I didnt. Kudos to you! what are some national issues they would care about to write a letter about. Since the letter is going to your congressman or senator I would actually read that requirement as a more locally based issue where appropriations would be allocated to your state. Here in Maryland, inside the beltway, we are too political as it is, my son is bombarded with national issues everyday just living around here and he probably wouldnt recognize the difference b

The Declaration of Independence http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/declaration/decmain.html The Bill of Rights aka the first Ten Amendments and the rest of the 27 http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billmain.html You go get em mom, you're going to do just fine.

http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/conmain.html The Constitution of the United States