Brannigan

On 8/13/2023 at 2:08 PM, AwakeEnergyScouter said:

@Brannigan, this is all on the open Internet. Both threads you've started are visible publicly, because they're not in the few restricted forums. Most of scouter.com is visible to everyone and anyone.

You can verify this yourself by logging out and then going to scouter.com. Right now, I see your reply above highlighted next to the New to the Forum? forum.

Sorry you felt so attacked. I didn't post in your first thread, but wish you well and am glad that you got the help from your council that you hoped for. I'm not new to scouting, but I'm new to BSA, and it's nice to hear a story about a council stepping in to remove someone who's just mean and destructive to the organization but not a criminal.

May you find happiness and the root of happiness.

Thank you! That was one of the only nice things said to me on this truly hostile site. Once I can delete my acct. though, I am gone.

2 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

If I may offer a kind suggestion:

For your own mental health, please stop posting.

P.S.  As you also find this forum to be distressing, I have gone back and removed my downvote.

Be well.

That is actually great advice.

@InquisitiveScouter I respect that. Good night. I too want to leave this conversation. Be well. *Of note, nothing in my telling of this tale is untrue.

May I quote Eleanor Roosevelt? *collective yes + clapping & applause*

"When shall our conscience be so tender as to prevent human misery rather then to avenge it?"

When are we going to get to a place where default harshness & hatred, harsh uncompromising opinions & conflict is NOT the norm??

Be good folks, treat all well.

Now can y'all start removing those darned "Negative Reputation" marks or tell me how to remove my own self from this place?? 'Bout time some folk were kind & friendly! Thank you @SSScout! Eagle94-A1 !

@SSScout It's for the kids. It is not about us stupid adults, just the Scouts!

14 minutes ago, SSScout said:

Friend Brannigan.  From what I glean, reading thru the past (since May?), it would appear that your travails are over.  I hope Mr. Monster does not reappear somewhere else. Since he was a Cub Leader, we might assume he had some Cub(s) in the Pack. We therefore also hope they/she/he are doing Cub stuff successfully to their benefit.

It does happen, some times, that adults forget the lesson  oft repeated by Bob The Tomato (Vegetales):   "It's for the kids"

All too often, it becomes "It's for ME", meaning the adult....   

I am glad your Pack appears to have come thru healthier.

Now, go tie some knots..... 

I totally understand why this will never be allowed to show on the (public) boards. This is something y'all need to address. I want either to have these issues addressed or I want to know how to delete my account. My guess is that it would be easier for you to delete me than to actually make things better. Honor yourselves then by allowing me to remain and address these problems. I am only being so bold because you will not allow these post & comments to be seen. 

Not surprised that this is not being posted for the public to view.

Is it normal that resident members give a well intended new member, seeking advice on a challenging situation be given a brutal trial by fire? I am almost 53yo, have been on the web for decades. Believe it or not, my 1st computer used a tape cassette as a hard drive! This is the most hostile place on the web that I have ever experienced, by far. The anger that I am being given, the "Negative Reputation" marks, the angry words assuming my incompetence is unending. Can anyone either make me, a dad new to Scouting, feel welcome, stick up for me, or tell me how to delete my account?? This is the most hostile place that I have ever been on in the web EVER. I deeply regret ever signing-up here.

25 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

@Brannigan,  Did council remove the person, or the CC remove them? I ask because when a similar situation occurred, I was told "Council does not get involved unless something criminal happens."  If council removed them, then something more happened, and charges may be forthcoming.

Firstly, thank you for not being so darned harsh to me as most have treated me on here. I appreciate it.

Council removed this individual but not for YPT or Safety reasons. I doubt that criminal charges are coming, this person was just... a monster. Over half of all Pack ldrs & CC have been attacked by this person. I know the CC "asked" that person to resign, which this individual did immediately.

9 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

You catch more flies with honey...

What if there is not any Honey? None of us always has positive things to say. I understand that you want every thing to be positive but... there are moments where things are not positive. I came here to seek good council, good advice in a challenging situation & I received good scolding for things that I did not do. The negative bias towards me on here is a bit intense. Let me guess, another Negative mark is on the way? Consider me a flight risk.

33 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said:

This is the prerogative of the CC if the COR agrees with them (or if they are the COR). It may destroy the unit, but they do have that authority. 

Fortunately, our Pack still exists & my sons are happy as bees on flowers about it! There is a huge positive vibe now that this person has been removed, Council & CC have steered us through the storm. Question: why do y'all give "Negative Rep" marks every time you disagree with me? Your mark in particular, is making me want to close my account here. I think it is fair to say that if y'all do not stop flinging these "Negative Rep" marks, like monkeys fling poo, I will remove myself.

14 hours ago, mrjohns2 said:

No. Based on what you have said, there would be no grounds for removal. One does not get removed for “bad leadership” as you say. 

This person yelled at most of the Pack Leaders for what all perceived as unprovoked. It's feeling like there is a negative bias coming from most of you, this was a good thing. This person was asked to step down because they treated every one like crap, was verbally abusive. Also, this person refused to submit applications for all leaders who disagreed with them. One applicant, in disagreement asked about whether we could have a campfire (allowed), calmly & politely said that he thought that we should have one because of where our Scouts were in training & experience. His application never saw the light of day, ever. There is so much more. We all have times that we disagree, what's important is how we deal with such.  That is what reveals good character. However, when you disagree with this individual, you were yelled at and/or punished in unreasonable ways. This is not one of those many various times in life where I was wrong, this individual is a monster, all of us agree about this. The Council was not light in thought or consideration to do this. *BTW, y'all throw those "Negative Rep" things like used Kleenex!

On 5/15/2023 at 6:11 PM, Brannigan said:

Fun? That word is another reason why I am puzzled by your response. It is true that a lot can be lost in translation via text but it important to not be hasty in response. It was, most certainly, not meant that way sir. Some of your response hold key insights though, I will say that much. Thank you.

On 5/15/2023 at 4:48 PM, Brannigan said:

Perhaps I have given too few details because your response is missing the target.

Now that this (permanently) unnamed individual is permanently removed from Scout leadership roles for life, do you still feel the same way? Is it not obvious that he, not I, was at fault?

On 5/16/2023 at 10:48 AM, 5thGenTexan said:

Unless there is a YPT or safety violation....  Council doesn't care about your issues with other leaders.

 

What "tools" in Scoutbook are not being utilized?>

No YPT or Safety violation but he is "retired" for abusive behavior with other ldrs. As for Scoutbook tools, they are just recently starting to catch up with that.

On 5/15/2023 at 5:21 PM, HashTagScouts said:

At the end of the day, the only ones to contact is the Chartered Org Representative/Institution Head. Thy approve all leaders, so Council is not the place to go.

I was a lowly Den Ldr & contacted the Council & now he is "retired". Pls read my most recent post in response to this topic.

Apparently y'all have been too hasty in your criticism of my concerns. The unnamed person has been removed by Council from his role based on his continued abusive behavior as a leader. He is banned from leadership in Boy Scouts. BTW, it did not involve YPT or Safety violations just leadership communications abuse. @5thGenTexan @Navybone@HashTagScouts @Armymutt@InquisitiveScouter He, who will remain forever unnamed on here, was, simply put, a very bad leader. He was in battle with almost every other leader. My sons will not suffer his "leadership" when moving to Boy Scouts, his replacement is currently being sought. I am not concerned by the 3 "negative reputation" marks as I am not at fault in this matter.

Well, this conversation appears to be unnecessary as the questionable replies appear to no longer exist which is kind of telling in and of itself. Good day to all.

5 hours ago, Navybone said:

My two cents is that email, websites, or any method where the only medium is the written word,  is not a great form of communication.  Because so much of effective communication is non-verbal, it can be very difficult to understand any nuance.  An example is that sarcasm is rarely effective in email or a site like this.  What is the mood of the reader, what else is going on, what did they just read -  all can impact how written communications is ready. 

In the example here, I totally agree that is could be received as unprofessional.  But was it meant that way. 

btw, this is always a fun topic of conversation in the Communication MB.

Fun? That word is another reason why I am puzzled by your response. It is true that a lot can be lost in translation via text but it important to not be hasty in response. It was, most certainly, not meant that way sir. Some of your response hold key insights though, I will say that much. Thank you.

5 hours ago, Armymutt said:

We don't have all of the information, but your email comes across as abusive and unprofessional too.  It doesn't say "Look at this cool feature I found to help make our lives easier."  It says "Hey dummy, why haven't you looked at Scoutbook?"  My wife and I have different levels of commitment to Scouting, and different levels of time we are able/capable of spending.  If I find a cool SB feature or some other Scouting related reference, I tell her what it is, how we can use it, and how to access it.  I've even made a PowerPoint with screen shots and instructions.  My advice is to first look at why the person is acting the way they are.  They may be over worked or frustrated. 

I had a parent ask my wife (treasurer AND den leader) why we weren't cooking as a pack on a camping trip.  She was frustrated because this same parent does nothing but complain about how he did things in his old pack (that failed while he was at the helm) and how we aren't doing those things (but he can't volunteer because X).  After calming her down from quitting, I told her to ask him if he wants to b the Grubmaster, resource all of the cooking equipment, put together menus for the weekend, collect the money, purchase the food, transport it to camp, build the cooking schedule, and supervise the cooking.  If not, then he probably should just stick to the current model.  

Perhaps I have given too few details because your response is missing the target.

The Troop leader who is committee leader for our pack is burning bridges left & right, being very abusive & unprofessional. Two of us have already resigned. I will only focus on what I was initially subjected to. In a pack & family email I said "I am boggled that y'all have not explored all the tools on Scoutbook!" This individual replied in a very bad manner assuming that I was criticizing everyone. I can c/p the exchange soon-a-bouts. It seems that almost all other Pack leadership has had confrontations with this individual. I just sent an email to the Council asking about who to address inappropriate behavior with. Looking for advice.

Thank you for having me! Just got my 7 & 9 yr olds into Cub Scouts & now I am a Webelos Den Leader for Pack #53 here in NM, USA.