Troop75Eagle

In TN we had a penal farm where prisoners actually grew food and worked. The unions put a stop to this as you relate. Unfair competition of state v private sector. There are some changes where non violent offenders learn about horses and work with them. There are other programs that help non violent women reunite with family and get help and aid to get meaningful work. More often it would seem that the attitude is, ‘well jimmy, you’re free now, hope you do well.’ And that’s it. i would say there is definitely a public interest in reintegrating Non violent people who’ve done time. Mar

There is an undeniable desire for retribution over rehabilitation and reintegration in this country. The idea of correcting bad behavior and having people pay their debt and move in really doesn’t work so well. Scouts tended (Past tense deliberate ) to try to reinforce ethical, productive and socially cohesive attitudes and behaviors. I experienced this and believe in it as a traditional tool for achieving this goal. I never witnessed or heard of the socio-political agendas being forced as they are today. Scouts does not hold a monopoly on these sorts of tools and never has. If

That is true, but I was responding to the idea of conditions in a previous comment demonstrating where such things have precedent. The particulars of this are certainly not the same, but the idea of having to give back a gift is not new, even when times and sentiments change.

EVANS v. ABNEY(1970) Gives you a basis. Don’t know how it would fly today but that is a precedent I learned in law school.

I agree with you completely. The last part of my statement that you highlighted is the real thrust of what I was saying. Ole bargains are certainly a part of the system. My point is to more recent cases in this whole social upheaval regarding police and protests. A grand jury convenes, files no charges against police in Ferguson, Mo. The grand jury and Us dept of justice clear the officer. No justice. How? The process worked and was even reviewed by feds-extraordinary by itself. The officer was subject to the processes and laws of the justice system and not charged. Now the public ma

If people looked at all culture of all kinds throughout history and banned it on the issue of the day, we would have nothing left. Humans are sight oriented and use that and every sense to distinguish friend from foe, who one likes and doesn’t like, who deserves derision for conduct, Humor, satire, music and everything else. There is no guarantee against hurt feelings. There is no guarantee or right to be liked, desired, appreciated, respected, or even tolerated by others in a human level. Human being seem to increasingly forget its fun to laugh at differences, draw fascination and intrigu

I would like to suggest that more sympathy to the victim needs to start with, as a glaring example, of actually following through with justice in the correct sense of the word. There have been many cases of investigative police jurisdictions not processing thousands of rape kits, but letting them simply accumulate. Justice, properly defined, would entail having the processes established followed so that the legal process could move on. Whatever the reason: gross negligence, incompetence, depraved indifference, lack of staffing or even vindictiveness...this is not justice.’ As it is comm

Yes. I agree. With choice of terms, I wanted to think of something that was so powerful that one couldn’t easily find an exception. Thanks for the upvote.

There is a tug of war among concepts, crime/punishment/self control/self improvement/retribution/ redemption. All have their place. When it comes to personal crime, especially violent crime, society sort of takes a back seat insofar as reconciliation between perpetrator and victim (on an emotional level). Wergild or it’s modern equivalent in civil damages doesn’t heal the lasting trauma. My hat is off to the young man who was able to reconcile to himself the crime and move on. In this case, they both seem to have benefitted. Insofar as social justice is concerned, cri

Dear and reason don’t go together for the average person. Shaken violently out of normal habit, predictability and expectation of social interaction...reason is swept away. Even soldiers find this hard to overcome. I did riot training with my MP unit years ago. We were all friends. When you get a mob in front of you shrieking and pulling at sticks and shield, people become an enemy. People got hurt. How much more do so when an isolated person confronted with a pack or mob of people who do not appear to have your best interests and health in mind.

You are correct in what you say. But, When the protesters resort to violence, properties ruin livelihoods where losses are not covered by insurance, and begin to assault people...and the government fails to respond...the people are compelled to protect themselves. This is one reason states have begun confirming and expanding castle doctrines along with stand your ground. As I say , if governments are not oppressing but are CONSTRAINED from acting because of political ramifications, then the prospects are odious indeed.

I guess people are now seeing the Wisconsin news about rioters roughing up and beating the legislator. If these things accelerate or persist, there will be a reaction that could be bad, very bad. The more violence, destruction and cultural purging that occurs, the greater the already growing risk of a group and their cause being discredited. The more these acts erode rule of law, the less indulgent the public will be. Protesters are sowing the seeds of their own destruction. it might be alleged by protesters that the feeling is that there is nothing to lose, they are losing li

That is certainly true, but that’s not the point is it. The point is the content, form and substance combined how best to administer development. To read your rather terse answer, it would seem you find the entire idea absurd and beyond the need to review or subject to thoughtful debate. Indeed, many on the forum would appear to regard any approach to this topic as a overt or clandestine attack on the concept of diversity. It comes across as people being threatened entirely by some boogeyman of a conservative backlash and subversive activity. I was unaware that scouts had morphed into a ‘

No indeed, they do not have to take them. All the citizen ship and community merit badges they do. There is a lot of overlap in form and content there which is why I mentioned them. It’s surprising to me the electives are there. More does not always mean better. Redundancy in merit badges may well warrant re-examination. there is a long history of exactly that action for such purposes. There is nothing wrong with review, streamlining and consolidation. But adding another required merit badge on top of that extensively does many of the same things is, in my opinion, a wa

I object to what I perceive as redundancy in 5 merit badges. If it turns out that American Heritage and American Culture can be absorbed and or consolidated then yes. I object to what I perceive as a heavy handed approach if not over kill to many of the same required actions of scouts in the same areas. it gets to a point where it looks like academic requirements for a diploma with pointless redundancy. So to be consistent, yes. The name is not as important as what the required content and engagement steps among them is.

I also want to add that I am not finding fault in the objectives of what is trying to be achieved. Nor do I in any way mean to take away from what you are saying about it and likewise hold yo be true. Both are good.

I hear what your saying and am interested in your training. After 33 years,?i don’t have the most up to date. I may tedpond more fully later for a set per understanding. As to your last statement, love your neighbor as yourself usually covers this. Scouts invites all. But insofar as diversity and inclusion not being political, I disagree. Anytime you have forced instruction on community, cultural and demographic differences, it becomes political. Anytime you have compulsory requirements that involve exposure to media And it’s inevitable diversity of social ills, solutions and differences,

I have a general question. Scouts has Citizenship in the community, nation and world Communications American Heritage American Culture 4 of these are required for Eagle. Perusing the content, there is overlap in many. All engage in culture, past, present and future in a wide range of ways. I am at great pains to comprehend the need for yet another required merit badge that deals with precisely the same areas of concern. I am assuming, which given the facts seems only correct, that requiring a new merit badge of diversity, there will be little need fo

I’ve recently, (last year) read bizarre mindsets in Seattle. Some of the assertions are that the legislature and urban population is so out of control that part of the state wanted to break away and merge with Idaho. It’s probably old news just like north, central and south California or Texas. The out of control part comes from the progressive agenda of the legislature and social initiatives. I apologize for not being able to find the article I read on these left of left initiatives but I wasn’t anticipating needing a citation in June 2020. progressive ideas are fine and good.

That’s all? Whew! At first I thought you were going to say They were putting up statues of Thomas Payne, John Stuart Mill, Voltaire or some of those other crazy thinkers from the Age of Enlightenment and reason. Then where would we be!

I realized that there is always question about authenticity or origins. Even if it was a fictional construct, all quotes spring from the mind and carry their own weight. That was my objective. Same dispute arose of the quote “There is a sucker born every minute.” I’d heard it was Barnum, which would be appropriate, but it may not be so. As long as quotes survive, their effect is what matters.

Couple of other quotes can go with that.. Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a men's character, give him power -A. Lincoln and from recent popular culture: Give us common folk one taste of power, we're like the lion who tasted man. Nothing is ever so sweet again-from Game of thrones. As I understand it, these quotes, especially the latter,?is why we have the institutions we have. The French Revolution, the great terror and fear of the mob were foremost on our founders minds. This is one reason all these upheavals and casting down of the men who cr

I’d forgotten that clip but remember the line. When I first saw the movie I was taken with it but never really thought it had much widespread application. I’ve read a lot about wars, atrocities, cultural and human genocides but always figured they were perpetrators and those swept along. I assumed all these had variations on a theme with a mix of criminal purpose, revenge, entitlement or some other similar human emotion and desire. I figured there were layers created to evade responsibility by euphemism, analogy, suggestion or some unspoken communal awareness. It’s only recently, and in t

Not sure about virtue signaling... im familiar with idealized virtues from antiquity and then knightly virtues Love God Love your neighbour Give alms to the poor Entertain strangers Visit the sick Be merciful to prisoners Do ill to no man, nor consent unto such Forgive as ye hope to be forgiven Redeem the captive Help the oppressed Defend the cause of the widow and orphan Render righteous judgement Do not consent to any wrong Persevere not in wrath Shun excess in eating and drinking Be humble a