EagleScout441

Not to change the subject, but where does it say that the Jambo patch above the right pocket must be either "National" or "World" Jamboree?

In my 3 years, 2 months of Scouting, I've slept on a cot 5 times. Three of those times were at our annual summer camp at Boxwell, sleeping in "tent city." One time was when we went on a eagle watching trip at Reelfoot Lake and stayed in cabins, sleeping in bunk beds. And the last time was at Kodiak at our Council HA Base, Latimer Reservation, we stayed in "tent city" most of the time, except for a backpacking trek in the middle of the week, during which we were in tents.

To be honest, out of the four and a half weeks of cot camping, versus the rest of my camping, I find my 30 degree Magellan sleeping bag to be much more comfortable than a cot.

And as a side note, at Kodiak we had a service project day, during which all groups were assigned a different service projects around the camp to do throughout the day. From cleaning up the mountain bikes, to dusting/sweeping the conference center. One of the projects we were assigned was drying out the cots that got wet during the all day/night rain from the day before, so we had to setup all those cots in direct sunlight and relax until they had dried out enough and then pack them back up.

I earned the "old" Cooking MB last March. It's cool to have a discontinued merit badge on my sash!

Do extra points go to those who don't have to Google what the games are? i.e. Flodh Gearradh = 2 handed saw.

I earned the "old" Cooking MB last March. It's cool to have a discontinued merit badge on my sash!

Attendance at 2013 National Jamboree:

24,682 Boy Scouts ages 12-17 years old and 2,118 Venturers ages 14-21 years old

2,782 Boy Scout leaders and 455 Venturing leaders

6,224 staff members

Approximately, 15,732 visitor days purchased

Total attendance, including visitors: 52,319

Attendance at NOAC 2012 was around 8,000(couldn't find exact numbers). NOAC 2015 is expected to have 10,000.

So yes, qwazse, NOAC can hardly compare to Jambo in attendance, but it is still the second largest National event. Then I think Venturing's BSA Winterfest comes in third.

I’m not sure I follow the intended purpose is in making reference to the definition of slang terms, and jargon, listed in what were once useful, if cumbersomely bulky reference volumes, now devoid of any redeeming quality , housing such gems as Tweaking, and aint … which Microsoft Word correctly fails to identify as words.

 

We’re comparing the two big national scout gatherings, conventions, which by tradition, and design, are intentionally distinguishable. The key isn’t how they’re different, and the different purposes of each event, but how they are similar. These two events are the only two single session national scout gatherings in this nation; as such, both are clearly defined as national events, and thus the insignia for each should be able to be worn on the uniform in the place reserved for national event insignia.

1. National Jamboree

2. NOAC

3. Venturing's BSA Winterfest in Gatlinburg.

EagleScout441, the question is "how do we get this policy changed". I've never encountered anyone adverse to this change.

And SSScout posted above about the PM function, when I try to access the "Compose New" page it gives me this message: "Sorry, you are not authorized to view this page."

The OA forum is having the same problem as moosetracker pointed out above with the "last posted by" feature.

Eagle 92, I agree on our High Adventure Bases as well. I'm aware of uniform policy and right side patch placement; I just don't understand why NOAC and High Adventure base insignia are not allowed placement above the right pocket. A National program is a national program, isn't it?

 

I've been to three NOAC's, did two Philmont Treks, and been to Northern Tier, and just fail to see how these events do not have the same importance as a National Jamboree.

 

I like that you point out that just "one" temp patch can be worn on the right pocket; it makes me nuts when people wear multiple temps on the right pocket, or wear temps on both right and left pocket.

 

For clarification, my post isn't an argument for wearing more insignia; it's an argument to have all National Programs correctly recognized.

 

Eagle Scout 441, I'm not aware of any lack of clarity on what male scouts or leaders are allowed to wear above the right pocket. I have to admit the rebel in me is tempted to follow your suggestions, but as a Lodge Advisor I have to be very aware of the example I set.

Since they have to maintain the ranch, Horsemanship MB would be a good fit.

I'd like to setup a topic completely dedicated to the activities/programs that add a little more flavor to the campouts we enjoy. Feel free to share your most interesting campfire moments, I'll start with my two favorites:

1. Kodiak 2013

One night at Kodiak(don't remember which night, all the fun blends together in my head), we hiked down a trail to find an average-size fire ring with wood already setup and benches surrounding it. The staff put on a fairly elaborate and hilarious skit which ended with one of the adults dropping something(I don't remember for sure, it was probably a match) onto the ground which lit a trail, of what was probably lighter fluid, and led the flame into the fire ring. The wood immediately burst into flames and burned brightly throughout the rest of the campfire. It was both surprising and really cool to watch.

2. Fall Camporee 2013

This was one of three skits that I recall my troop doing, and it was the best by far. There was a disappointing number of only five of us youth who attended this outing, but all five of us participated and made the best of it. We had no idea what we might possibly do for a skit, but the five of us put our heads together created an original skit over the course of about 2 1/2 hours. Three of us went on the "stage" and performed a stand-up comedy routine. Scout No. 1 saying the cheesiest jokes we could come up with, including: "Why couldn't the scout see the bird? Because it was in disguise(pronounced "da-skies", as in "the skies")." Scout No. 2 did several long story-like jokes which I won't take the time to write here. And Scout No. 3(Me) did outdoor/wildlife jokes, such as: "What do you call a fish with no eyes? Fsh." The fourth Scout was in the crowd and at the mid-point of our routine he called out: Where did you get your jokes, a(insert scheduled stutter here) garbage can!? Which the Troop organizing the campfire took as a insult of the skit and one of the adults almost scolded him on-the-spot, it did get a good laugh though. The fifth Scout was carrying a large branch was supposed to chase us three off the stage with the line: "That's enough cheese for one night!" But after a awkward quoting of that line and no chasing, Scout No. 2 initiated a quick save with: "OK, we're done," which came off as fairly funny as we left the stage in an awkward pause before a couple other Scouts starting clapping.

I hope you took the time to read all that, if not, please do, for they are some of my best experiences in Scouts and they were a nice break from setting up tents and hiking. I also hope at least a few of you will keep this going with more stories or maybe some good ideas for future campfires.

This topic is not to be confused with another of the same title: http://www.scouter.com/forum/camping-high-adventure/361548-campfire-program

I've got a Lodge that has several events each year: Spring and Fall Ordeals(staffed by youth members, free labor for setting up/taking down summer camp), Summer Camp Dessert Fellowship(ice cream and cobblers mainly), Fall Fellowship, Winter Banquet, organizing and setting up activities for Fall and Winter Camporees, and we've also started talking about NOAC 2015. We also had trail-building work days when Latimer Reservation was under construction(Latimer is our Council HA Base and, if I might add, AWESOME!).

I would say that it can be placed above the right pocket. The right pocket patch placement is the most neglected rule of the uniform, for I have seen many scouts wearing "illegal" patches there, the most common ones are either NYLT or NAYLE.

I mostly want to get her registered as a Venturer so that she can........and work on merit badges.

Sorry to disappoint, but only Boy Scouts can earn Merit Badges.

OK, talked with some Venturers, I am allowed to the ILSC in January even though I don't have membership as a Venturer. Which means the NYLT prerequisites are no longer an issue.

Don't know if this happened nationally, but 11 years ago, our council received an endowment from someone who asked "why aren't more boys making Eagle?" And, the donor(s) wanted their gifts to go to programs that addressed that question. As a result, our council camp had a "trail to Eagle area" that star and life scouts could hang out and discuss what they needed to complete advancement. Let's face it, in some troops kids don't see anyone making rank, but if they see boys from other troops year after year, they might conclude like Pack, "Oh, I *can* do this."

I know NYLT has changed a lot since I took the old BA22 course, and served on staff for the JLT Course NYLT replaced. But based upon my experiences, you really need to have mastered the basic T-2-1 outdoor skills in order to pull your own weight and not be a burden to your patrol at these courses. In my BA22 patrol, we had one scout who was pushed through the course for political reasons at age 12, and the scout barely had the T-2-1 outdoor skills under his belt, To say he was a burden is an understatement.

 

It's kinda funny in retrospect, but once he deliberately infected his blisteres to get out of the backpacking portion of the BA22 course and had to stay in the basecamp, the patrol actually had a much better time.

I doubt NYLT will be as dependent on the knowledge of the participants now as it used to be, but I probably should refresh myself on the first aid just to be safe. After all, at 16 I'll probably be one of the oldest participants there, wouldn't want to be outsmarted by a 14 year old!

Are you sure about the "qualifications"? Usually 14 yrs old is the minimum (no Venturer would be 13), past leadership experience and likely higher leadership position after NYLT would be required, and of course you would need unit leader recommendations. Your unit(s) might help with cost.

 

Have you talked to previous attendees (your age and scouting experience) about course quality? What did they learn, what did they apply to their unit, is their unit scout run? Not all NYLT courses are equal quality. Occasionally some up and coming scout leaders opt to take NYLT with another council or not take NYLT at all.

 

That said, if applying to your council NYLT is still your desire, then just do it before the slots fill. If they say no, well you tried and that is a valuable leadership trait in itself.

 

My $0.02

I am sure about the "qualifications," you can look for yourself: http://www.mtcbsa.org/assets/forms/NYLTBrochure.pdf

There hasn't been any information released yet on the 2014 course, all I know is that it will be in either June or July in 2014. And the course has been recommended to me by several, including the current Venturing Area 6 President, who took it a couple years back.

And I just noticed that, Venturers have to have completed the 8th grade, there is no such thing as a "13 years of age and have completed the 7th grade" Venturer.

And the maximum number of participants for the course is 48.

Hallo Job, I'm one of the "few youth (under 18 years old) who post and comment from time to time." I'm a 16 year old and I live in Tennessee, USA. While I prefer rappelling/climbing and hiking, I still go whitewater rafting or sailing from time to time. I'm good friends with a few Sea Scouts, including the Vice President(second in command) of Sea Scouting of my Council.

I plan on attending NYLT 2014 and according to my Council(possibly all Councils):

(This is from the 2013 brochure, dates haven't been set for NYLT 2014.)

"A scout or venture must have the following qualifications by June 1, 2013:

Boy Scouts – * Must be a current member of BSA * Be 13 years of age and have completed the 7th grade * Be a First Class Scout

For Venture Scouts - * Must be 13 years of age and have completed the 7th grade * Must have completed the ILSC training prior to this training."

But for someone who is a dual member(Venturing and Boy Scouts), do both apply? Either, or? Because I haven't had ILSC training and when I join Venturing in January I'd like to know if I need it so I can get the training before I go.

And yes, they are using the term "Venture Scouts." That paragraph is copied and pasted straight from the brochure.

Ok remove the POL and just focus on the POR

 

So if a lad misses 80% of the meetings, how is he fulfilling his responsibilities? be it SPL, PL, Quatermaster, scribe or patrol member.

 

The is NO BECAUSE. Do it or ya don't. A lad growing into the position is the expectation.

 

 

While a First Class Scout, serve actively in your unit for four months in one or more of the following positions of responsibility

If the patrol leaders are doing their job, why do you even have an ASPL? That has to be the most useless job in the troop. The bugler has more responsibility. On an outing, the SPL is the second most useless person. If the patrols are 300' apart, how does the SPL keep track of everything? If the troop is looking to the SPL and ASPL for leadership on the campouts, they are barking up the wrong tree. The PL's should be running the show in their patrols. What are the PL's in your troop doing when the SPL and ASPL are running the show? Nothing? Taking orders from the SPL and ASPL? That's gotta be confusing for everyone.

 

Basically if the ASPL is attending regularly but has trouble on the weekend with job and school, I don't see this as any real problem. Same for the SPL, especially in a small troop. Have a PL pull that stunt, then there's reason for the fur to fly. For me the highest ranking POR in my troops were the PL's. Everyone else down to the CC SUPPORTED the PL's in their jobs. That's where the real leadership needs to be.

 

Stosh

Lots of opinions exist on this and many many many are wrong. Period. Read what BSA says in the Guide To Advancement. You can't go wrong if you do your best to implement the program you signed your name to running on your BSA application.

 

Read GTA section 4.2.3.1 ... "impact" ... "making a difference" .... "reasonable" ... "a lesser level of activity is explained"

 

http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33088.pdf

 

 

Want clarifications? Read the advancement news.

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...ment_News.aspx

That's the one "measurement" that can be used for any POR's. Other rules would be position specific. But simply showing up is not doing the job. Why is it even there in the first place? And every adult will say, "Because!" "

Because showing up is the first piece of actually serving in a POR. If they don't "simply show up" they aren't in a POR at all, are they? Much less doing the job.