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So you cannot have a class for eagle merit badges? and the issue is that kids need to be outdoors to get these merit badges? We have an MBU at our counsel (merit badge university). where kids can take 3 merits badges over a course of 3 weekends spanning a month. These may be eagle required. one weekend is to alllow the scout time to perform the non-classroom items on the MB requirement. This is held at a school where facilities like a full kitchen are available, feilds for aviation, rockets, track for athletics.
I dont think providing a scout time and facilities to learn is a bad thing. This is not required but it is made available.
edit -- my son took all 3 citiznships last year. at the MBU. completed 2 still working on his third. it not like if the requirements are not met they get the badge.
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When i was in the navy my chief had the patch. whenever he started busting on us I would look him in the eye and wave my fingers ala jedi. "Cheif do you like filtered or unfiltered?"
Since the smoking area was a 30min walk we had peace for an hour
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OK i am very confused.
are these entry ranges? e.g. boys 11-14 enter boy scouts
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are these age ranges? e.g. boy enters Boy scouts at age 11 and upon reaching 14 then transfer to venturing.
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Ohhh sentinel you spoiled it lets let people at least freak out that this real for a few hours.
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Language used is a choice. Drink is a choice. Respect for others is a choice. The message we present on our clothing is a choice. How we treat our bodies is a choice. The choices we make affect not only ourselves' date=' but also our family and friends, our neighbors ("but who is our neighbor, Lord?") and the future. Yeah, your cigar today has an affect on me over here in Maryland. I seem to remember that tobacco was once a ceremonial ritual item, a serious item among the Native Americans. And then an industry discovered they could make it even MORE addictive, and encourage it's use by giving out free cigs to our soldiers and wow, look at all the old movies , making smoking "glamorous". The Iroquois held that all decisions, even personal ones, would benefit from considering the effect on the seventh generation hence. Is that message on the Tshirt respectful of the women you are trying to help with your walk, or is it making too light of the serious situation? There are funny things and not so funny things. The difference is how we advance as a species. [/quote'] If you drive a nonelectric car your internal combustion engine is far more damaging than a cigar. Or do only pollens that you don't like count?
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ScoutNut. yes but participation in charity 5k does not equal solicitation. Haveing the boy sell entry tickets would be solicitation running a a troop in the event is not.
the BSA youth member would not be collecting monies or soliciting money.
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Was it a BSA breast cancer flask? Because that would make this thread go full circle.
Is that from castle anthrax? wicked wicked Zoot.
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HI BD thanks.
yes participation in 5k where another charity is the benefactor scouts ARE alloowed to run and this is actually incourged when reporting unit activities under https://servicehours.scouting.org
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Note what orginization benefited from the event.
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Sorry - NO.
BSA specifically prohibits their units from raising funds for any outside organizations.
That is why the Troop can assist the runners - but NOT run as a Troop team.
Hi could you provide a link to this reg? We are planing an at least 2 events that are banned' to help with the physical fitness of the troop. the way you state this is that we are banned from doing a 5k and a triathlon. I would like to see the original text. I tried Google but was not successful.
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Well I surely opened up a can of worms on all sides.
Again, remember why I came here. To get other people's views BEFORE making any stink about this. Those of you that took that tack with me, thank you.
Some commented on lightening up because it's good to have a leader instead of none or that I should volunteer to do it. I don't think I ever said otherwise.
By the way, I have direct ties to the cause here as well so those who seemed to be questioning my right to comment on the provocative shirts - as if just being a human being wasn't enough reason to dislike the shirts - I've spent plenty of time in life coping with cancer and its effects thank you very much.
Thanks all!
let me clarify. I think you have a right to comment and dislike the t-shirts. i don't think you have a right to equate wearing of the t-shirts to the moral values of the ASM and the scout (PL) Which you did when you brought up morally straight in the OP.
Calico Pennn is correct the context matters. wearing a shirt like that in the office would get me a fast trip to HR for sexual harassment. At the 5K you are seen as a support of womans health.
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Unless you're a deer apparently
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I like the small LED lanterns with a solar charger and hand dynamo. they are light durable, cheap and effective at lighting a tent if needed. no heavy fuel no fire risk
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Iamchristian13. additionally many of the breast cancer awareness events do use not so subtle language as part of their marketing:
http://www.spydersurf.com/collections/b4bc/products/b4bc-tote-bag
additionally here is a link to 71 other slogans event use to sponsor and raise money for this research.
http://brandongaille.com/71-catchy-breast-cancer-awareness-campaign-slogans/
Many people that participate in these events are directly affected by breast cancer.
OK was it racy sure. but you seem to be focused on this perceived slight and not focusing on the good the kids and the ASM did.
As the ASM he spends valuable time away from his family to support the troop. on top of this he is getting the boys involved in the community outside of scouting and devoting time to train and be engaged in this event.
A breast joke MAYBE in bad taste but immoral? NO!
If you are so upset next year have the troop run as a troop and you volunteer to run and lead the event.
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I wouldn't want to define reverence as a church or Sunday all the references you gave are christian based. I don't think I should be pointing the him toward a specific religion but to find reverence
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As far as the t-shirts as you stated it was not done as a bsa activity or troop activity. As such it is not really for you to judge as appropriate or not. Bsa strictly forbids martial art If you extrapolate your logic scouts should not perform martial arts together. I see it as they did a good deed, improved the physical fitness and had a little bit of fun doing it. Next make the smoking SM run it.
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I have the high adventure BMI stands posted in our meeting area. You don't have to be in shape but you don't have to be able to do everything you want to either.
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I started one conversation like this. "How are you reverent?" Blank stare from TF going for SC. "OK, what does reverent mean?" Blank stare from TF. "Alright. Talk to you parents about what you find reverent and let's talk again next week. Remember that what I beliveve might be very different from what you do and that's OK. But at the end of the day we both probably have that feeling that wow this has to be something more than me that made all this. What I want to know is what makes you feel that way and why. Also blank stares don't count."
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We have our camporee this coming weekend. I'l ask during Cracker Barrel if the service Sunday is nondonminational and not christian
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Too be fair I did have a scotch in my hand
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Packsaddle but where would we find the answers?
but seriously....I have been thinking about this a bit. One you didnt say where you where going. I could forsee a formal dinner where the host would expect the dults to partake as part of the culture.. France, Portugaul, Italy Greece for example. and there are others where any alochol if looked down upon unless you are in intimate company. e.g. a dinner with a host in Japn would have tea not sake. and others wher it it forbidden Saudi Arabia
OK thats the cultureal issue.. but lets also talk about reality...
You are overseas. you are weather you know or not and like it or not you are ambassadors for the US. If one of the scouters has too much because hey man it greece WTF could happen...dealing with a foriegn police is NOT fun this can turn a fantastic trip into a nightmare in an instant.
Greek Ouzo is made with raw poopy seed oils and has mild heroin affect. (military cut us some slack on that test whew)
just because you can....(and I am not sure can or cant not my expertice) doesnt mean you should.
If you are being hosted for a dinner and the host offers acceppct one glass with dinner to show respect for that culture. otherwise abstain.
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I have never stated that all scoutmasters or arms will do this. On the contrary i have stated that this can be an issue for some. how about we stick to what i actually said and stop making things up as you go along.
Did you forget the part where my troop is mixed religuosly or in your wild attempt to politicize this did you selectively forget some facts.
Being happy in a mixed religuos troop (Christain, Muslim buddist, agnostic) is the exact oppisite of bigotry and intolerence. but please proceed to redifine words to make them fit your what you want to say.
Actually it is you that are sterotyping. you feel as if you know my entire world view based on my insistence that this is a bad idea.
I was asked a few posts ago do i have an example of if this has happened in the past. Well no since this is a requiremnt that is not enforced yet its difficult to come up with past instances.
Based on the the viciousness directed at me in the past few post is there any doubt that a scout that had the same point of view as me would be denyed rank based on these post from scouters?
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I'm not an evangelical' date=' but I believe they are called by their faith to "witness" it to others. That you see this as something to "fear" opens the real possibility that you are a religious bigot and intolerant. Fear, by its definition, is unreasoning - the "mind killer" as Frank Herbert called it. But you're entitled to your own thoughts on this and whatever consequences might flow.[/quote']
For the record you are quoteing from Dune as Frank Herbert is a science fiction writer.
Labeling me as a bigot is insulting at best. I would be intolerant of a SM or ASM witnessing to a scout. To me that SM or ASM is placing their faith above that of their scouts and abusing their positional authority.
As young people, some are touched by a religious calling. I saw it happen to others my age when I was a teenager, although I never found myself moved in that direction. None of those kids were harmed in any way and the ones I'm still in touch with went on to happy, fulfilled lives. Some stuck with this original "conversion," others found different paths. No big deal and certainly not a learning process to "fear."This is not a learning process. This is a checkpoint per rank that say's before you advance lets talk about God. This can place the subordinate into duress as promotion may be withheld if the scout does not agree with the SM or ASM.
You went from what is your duty to god to now we can witness to scouts. And this is done during a SM review for advancement.
Persuading a scout to your faith with the threat of non-advancement is not education that is coercion.
There are definitely weak people who can be swayed by strong personalities, but most kids Scouting age are either following their parents or their friends. There won't be many Scoutmasters who can try to shoehorn kids into a religion that's not their family's without having the kids quit or the parents pull them. And if neither of those things happen, maybe the kid will be happier.So if you dont have you faith you have a weak personality?
Or maybe the kid will just do as you hope and not make waves just to get by and take it to get what they can out of scouting?
Perhaps that SM or ASM should be open to other faiths.
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dcsimmons, So since i disagree with you I am a bigot and intolerant of other faiths? How did you jump to that conclusion? (perhaps if you had quoted my full text instead of out of context) And if you do perceive that because I do not follow your train of thought or faith that my point of view is inferior; you kinda just proved my point.
How did you infer politics into this? Are people of faith from only one party?
Two questions regarding appropriate behaviors of adult and youth leaders
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Did you watch the training video KDD provided
But more to the point. I think we can all agree it was in bad taste. but taste and morals are not the same. and the OP had linked the wearing of the tee s-shirt during a non-scout function as a moral flaw. to the ASM and a scout.