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Thanks Dan. As you mentioned, the emphasis seems to be on the Aims of Scouting with outdoors and leadership thrown in.

BSA Bullying Prevention training defines bullying as: Bullying is any behavior that is deliberate, hurtful, repeated over time. It is usually characterized by a relationship involving an imbalance of power, such as size or popularity. Bullying can be physical, verbal, emotional, social, behavioral, or any combination. Bullying can take place just about anywhere: on the bus, at school, at soccer practice, even online via the Internet. http://scouting.org/Training/Adult/Supplemental.aspx A Scouting Magazine article on the topic https://myscouting.scouting.org/_layo

Beavah, Under current process, no one has to approve the final project plan. It is developed by the Scout and the beneficiary. In fact the final project plan is not indicated as mandatory and there is no place in the workbook for anyone to sign off on it. According to the process, if it is reviewed it is reviewed by the Project Coach, not the Scoutmaster. The Project Coach is someone selected to do that job by the District (not necessarily the Scoutmaster.) In section 9.0.2.7 of the Guide to Advancement we find: It is also acceptable for the coach or the advancement admini

Dan, "approval on recommended integration of Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts fundamentals" What does integration of Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts fundamentals mean?

So in this case the city is asking to be covered under BSA's general liability insurance?

Fred and Dan, That is excellent. I think the adult goals can be summed up in the Aims and Mission of the BSA. The aims of Scouting: character development, citizenship training, and mental and physical fitness The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. (This message has been edited by bnelon44)

Don't know Beavah. What I quoted says the council would have to buy into accident/medical coverage. Also, I don't know enough to know if the general public would be covered for events. The advice of getting ahold of the council's Program Director is a sound one. The council puts on this sort of thing all the time and understands the liability.

I agree, if the Scout feels he has completed the project and satisfied the other Eagle requirements, hold an Eagle Board of Review.

Here is what the Guide to Advancement says about Eagle Project insurance: 9.0.2.15 Insurance and Eagle Scout Projects The Boy Scouts of Americas General Liability Policy provides general liability insurance coverage for official Scouting activities. Registered adult leaders are provided primary coverage. Unregistered adults participating in a Scouting activity are provided coverage in excess of their personal insurance. Every council has the opportunity to participate in the BSA Accident and Sickness insurance program. It provides insurance for medical and dental b

Here is what the Guide to Advancement says: 9.0.2.13 Evaluating the Project After Completion.... There may be instances where, upon its completion, the unit leader or project benefi ciary chooses not to approve a project. One or the other may determine modifications were so material that the extent of service, or the impact of the project, were insufficient to warrant approval. The candidate may be requested to do more work or even start over with another project. He may choose to meet these requests, or he may decideif he believes his completed project worthy and in

It says hazards, so I am pretty sure they mean hazards, not situations. Candles left unattended would be a possible hazard in a Church.

Yep, 6 months is usually how long it takes to figure out the SPL job. The program has always been that the Scouts in the troop can reelect the SPL if they want to have him around a bit longer in that position. That is the problem I have with the ASPL to SPL forced progression. It forces out the SPL prematurely.

I added a bit to my post.

Barry I have had 10 years as Scoutmaster, and over 18 years with the troop as an adult leader. Also served on District and Council positions. Your right it does take, on average, 6 months for an SPL to figure out how to do the job. I guess you could use the 6 months as an ASPL to learn the job of an SPL, however normally an ASPL doesn't get enough responsibility to actually learn the SPL job. So my question is, I guess, how do you actually turn the 1st 6 month ASPL job into something substantial enough to really turn it into on the job training for SPL so that there isn't a

eolesen So what your saying is your troop elects an SPL for 12 months and they know that the first 6 months is a learning period. After the 12 months they are out because another one is waiting in the wings. So you don't allow the Scouts to reelect their SPL. Why? Seems like something an adult would construct not a 12 year old boy. Wouldn't that be against the idea that the Scouts can elect their own leader and can reelect them as many times as they would like?(This message has been edited by bnelon44)

>When you have a boy scout get Eagle and then they leave the program, that is an indictment of your program, that it's weak. Maybe it just is an indication that your unit has set Eagle as the ultimate goal.

GTA vs Requirements Requirements are very specific The GTA (policy and process) tries to stay out of the weeds and give different units different latitude. Mainly because we have so many different sizes of units sponsored by so many different types of sponsoring organizations. This makes the BSA a bit different than other Scouting organizations that are centrally controlled. The BSA does have some definitions for terms though. For example a "unit leader" is defined as: "The adult leader of a unit is a Cubmaster, Scoutmaster, Coach, Advisor, or Skipper." http://www.scouti

Eagledad Again the idea is to get them the tools so they can do the program which accomplishes the Aims. That's the purpose of the T2F requirements. The goal is to achieve the Aims. That doesn't happen overnight. To keep them in the program so that can happen, you get them active right away. But Scouts who don't have the skills get frustrated and quit. It is the Forming, Storming, Norming and Performing model of team development. See: http://bsatroop14.com/patrolmethod/MatchingLeadershipStylestotheNeedsofScouts.pdf

You think taking 18 months to teach a boy how to camp is in a hurry?

Adding to this thread a bit late. But IMHO the reason for First Class Emphasis is to give the boys the skills to play the game. That is what T2F is: learning the skills to be able to camp. We want them to learn to camp so they can get going on the adventure we promised them. And in doing the T2F requirements it gets them out right away to experience camping. It doesn't have to be done in 12 months, but about that amount of time. Say 12-18 months. my 2-cents (This message has been edited by bnelon44)

The SM can really determine what is or is not important to the Scouts. This is a good example. If a SM concentrates on a "goal" of becoming Eagle, he shouldn't be surprised when his Scouts disappear after getting Eagle.

emb021 There are 3 regional NAYLE classes scheduled for this month and August. They are all still on the calendar as far as I can tell http://www.nayle.org/pdfs/2012_RegionalNAYLE_flyer_v1.pdf For those who don't know what we are talking about, a video of NAYLE is here: (This message has been edited by bnelon44)

For those who haven't read it, it might be worthwhile to take 5 minutes and read: Advancement Defined: http://scouting.org/scoutsource/GuideToAdvancement/AdvancementDefinied.aspx (This message has been edited by bnelon44)

From the Guide to Advancement: Advancement Defined Advancement is the process by which youth members of the Boy Scouts of America progress from rank to rank. It Is a MethodNot an End in Itself Advancement is simply a means to an end, not an end in itself. It is one of several methods designed to help unit leadership carry out the aims and mission of the Boy Scouts of America. ============= So there you go. Advancement is a means to an end, not an end in itself. That end would be the goal. What is that end? That end, that important thing that advancement shou

> Why do you need an SPL? Good point. There is another thread on strengthening the Patrol Leader