bnelon44

Something I am working on:

Teaching the Patrol Method in the Troop, a one page, two sided handout:

http://bsatroop14.com/patrolmethod/TeachingthePatrolMethodintheTroop.doc

Teach 'em, trust 'em and let them lead

Leadership Society:

http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/Natl_Youth_Leadership_Society_512-354.pdf

My undersanding is that they want to make both youth and adult mentoring training. I hear the youth one is almost done.

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I think it is just easier to learn the Scout Law as is. By the time you learn a acronym to help you learn the law, you might as well learn the Law. Boys have been learning the law to pass their Tenderfoot for 100 years, it isn't that hard.

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Hi,

Thanks, I saw those. Target dates would be good for announcing at training. When you tell someone that change is coming, usually they ask "when?"

If a Scout is not performing his job, it is the responsibility of the Scoutmaster to have the SPL remove him from that position. However, if a Scout is in a position for 6 months, and the Scoutmaster does nothing, the Scout should get credit for the position. That is in the R & R

I don't see anything wrong with telling a Scout up front he has to attend a % of meetings/activities to be considered as part of his job if it truely relates to his job (e.g., PL, or SPL). If he doesn't comply, remove him from the position.

He just needs to invite him.

By the way, in 1911 there was a similar requirement and the Scout actually had to get someone to join the troop and you had to teach him the requirements for his Tenderfoot badge (in 1911, you weren't officially a Scout until you earned Tenderfoot).

Someone called national and they said requirements will be released on or before 4/1

Wondering about release dates for the following, can anyone provide?

TLT

CLT

Kodiak

>"Also, the DRP only is listed on adult applications so it does not, or should not prevent children (Scouts) from joining the BSA.

Unless they're atheists, and honest. And the DRP is on youth applications, just in the "information for parents" section, it's not like it's hidden or anything. "

The Oath and the Law are printed on the cover page of the youth application and they are told they must live by them.

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> bnelon44, the BSA certainly didn't tell public schools that atheists couldn't join when schools chartered units.

They told them then what they tell them today. Everyone must adhere to the Oath and the Law. Nothing has changed, which I think was your previous point. Your arguement that some group has taken over the BSA and changed this policy is incorrect. The policy has not changed and what the BSA says about the policy and what it takes to be a member related to this matter has not changed. Sorry, your just incorrect there.

Axeman, I think you answered your own question of why an excerpt. There is only so much room on the application and interested parties can ask for more info.

>bnelon44, the new part is how the BSA enforces their DRP. They certainly didn't tell public schools to kick out atheists when they chartered units.

They didn't in 1911 and they don't today. In 1911 they had to promise to abide by the Oath and Law (read the Tenderfoot Requirements in the 1911 handbook,) as they do today. They weren't members until they could pass the Tenderfoot Requirements in 1911. In 1911 as it is in 2010 if someone says "I don't believe in God" so can't promise to live by the Oath, they are counseled sometimes the DRP is discussed, sometimes not, and if they still can't promise to live by the Oath or Law, they are not allowed to be a member. Nothing has changed. You have to do a duty to God.

There is no mysterious morphing of the program by any nefarious forces over the last couple of decades. The DRP and Duty to God has always been in the program.

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The DRP comes from page 250 of the 1st Edition of the Handbook for Boys, 1911. It isn't anything new.

The hanbook is online here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=a7I2AAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=handbook+for+boys&cd=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false