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  1. In the purchase of assets alone, liabilities of the seller do not pass with the assets.

    WOSM does not assert IP in "scouting," an English word. after all.

    150 scouting organizations exist in Germany, one of which is a WOSM member. Most include "padfinder" (scout) in their name.

    France has eighty scouting organizations.  The Fédération du Scoutisme Français (Federation of French Scouting) is the national member of both the WOSM and the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS).  others not belonging to those associations are: Association Française de Scouts et Guides Catholiques (Traditionalist Catholic), Scouts de Doran (Spin-off of Association Française de Scouts et Guides Catholiques ), Scouts et Guides Godefroy de Bouillon (Traditionalist Catholic, with connections to the Society of St. Pius X), Ecuyers Saint-Michel (Fencing Scouts), Fédération du Scoutisme Evangélique Français (Protestant)..

     The Fédération des Associations d'Anciens du Scoutisme (FAAS) is the national member of the International Scout and Guide Fellowship, a competitor of WOSM. The French members of the federation are: Les Amitiés de France Anciens Scouts et Guides (ADF), Association des Anciens Éclaireurs et Éclaireuses (A.A.E.E.), A3-Association des Anciens et Amis des Éclaireurs et Éclaireuses Israélites de France, Les Tisons, Anciens des Éclaireurs et Éclaireuses Unionistes, Réseau des Parents et Amis des Guides et Scouts de France.


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  2. 6 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:

    They have rights to "use emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, and words or phrases the corporation adopts."


    Not literally.  If they adopted "Ford" or "Girl Scouts of America," they would not have the right to use those words.

     As for the role of Bankruptcy Court in intellectual property issues, you might see:


    https://www.wardandsmith.com/articles/intellectual-property-in-bankruptcy-an-overview#:~:text=Generally%2C intellectual property includes copyrights,losses to the debtor's creditors.

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  3. "The purpose of the corporation shall be to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in Scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods which are now in common use by Boy Scouts."


    Does BSA have exclusive right to a girls program?  To a "Scouts'" program?

    Does the Charter require anything? 

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  4. 5 hours ago, Owls_are_cool said:

    I had scouts go to a camp outside of my Council (Montana) last summer. The Council that covers Wyoming requested a copy of our council insurance for my unit for my unit to go to this camp. This tells me that your insurance will apply to your unit, even if you go outside of the council.

    This tells me the outside council may believe your council insurance will apply to your unit, even if you go outside of the council.  Many beliefs turn out to be incorrect.

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  5. 5 hours ago, Owls_are_cool said:

    We did 2 summer camps last summer and parents had to sign liability waviers for covid-19 for both before the scout can come to camp. 

    Parental waivers may bar suits by parents, but are generally ineffective against suits by minors, unless approved by the court having jurisdiction over the  minors - often a "Family Court."  Minors have no capability to enter into a contract and parents generally have no power to contract on their children's behalf.

    Council permission has no effect to  bar liability, but lack of permission may be admissible evidence of negligence.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, ParkMan said:

    That's unfortunate.  

    The Scouting world has such a weird dynamic to it.  Professionals, council boards, council volunteers vs. district volunteers vs. unit volunteers.  For a movement that is all about developing leaders, we seem to know so little about how to develop leadership in adult volunteers.  It's very strange.

    BSA often does not follow what they teach about leadership or values.  

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  7. 2 hours ago, DuctTape said:

    Things have changed in many ways, especially what is legal on the books. What is legal and what is part of the system are two different things.  While no longer legal, much has not changed in the system. As just a singular example he consequences of red-lining are still a reality in many places. Entire communities exist as a result of said red-lining and in a lot of cases are unwelcoming to say the least of "others" moving into the neighborhoods. The police still treat minorities in these neighborhoods differently. At the minimum is the assumption they must be from somewhere else and therefore suspect. This is just a simplistic example. While this is a far cry from the lynchings of the past, much of the country still has a long long way to go. While I disagree with the younger generation stating "nothing has changed" I also disagree with the older generation stating words to the effe". The reality is in middle.

    And I do not say, expressly or in effect, that , "we fixed it years ago, so racism is not systemic."  I say it's not systemic even though we did not "fix it. It's people's behavior because everywhere and in all ages, there is, sadly, fear and hatred of the "other."  That human failing is not typically corrected by violence and hate, though one group may eliminate the "other" in their midst,  - virtually or literally.  The fear and hate seems to be  mitigated by respectful behavior  and human understanding learned through everyday interaction. 

    If you think that "things" have changed only in theory, tell that to Barrack Obama and others you should be able to name, like Roscoe Robinson and Benjamin  O. Davis, Jr. 

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  8. 17 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:


    The research I've see has suggested that millennial believe in "flat" organizational structure. No hierarchy. EVERYONE is a leader.

    This is great, to a point. But it also results in a one-person or a minority veto ("cancel" culture) where is a vocal enough portion of a group objects, nothing happens.

    Very Animal Farm;  "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

    BSA  JLOW "Who is the leader?"  Syllabus answer: "The Patrol leader." (You can tell this is from decades ago.)     Real world answer even then: whoever leads.

  9. Extended explanations of the claim of "systemic" racism by the proponents and publicists of that claim suggest to me that those proponents and publicists are using "systemic" instead of de facto or, at the least, "really bad."   

    I lived through systemic racism - segregation of public institutions by explicit rule of law; literacy tests designed to bar Black and Hispanic voters; concentration camps; maps on the walls of bank offices with areas  drawn in red lines that were barred to loans to Black persons wishing to buy a home  (an early  New Deal FHA program), and racial immigration quotas favoring  "Whites."   Registering Black voters could - and did - result in violent death while local law enforcement systematically saw nothing and did nothing.

    I was a voter when President Johnson,  Mike Mansfield, Everett Dirksen and the Republicans hammered the Civil Rights Act past the filibuster of Harry Byrd, former Grand Cyclops of the West Virginia KKK,  and the Southern Democrats.  Then came the battle to pass the Voting Rights Act (1965) and to  make red-lining a federal crime (1968).

    So when I read and hear that "nothing has changed," I recognize ignorance for what it is.  And what contempt that ignorance, probably unintentionally, shows for decades of effort and courage by others, many killed in the process..

    The tendency of the self-imagined "superior" types to regard themselves as owed better treatment and a status above the law is apparently part of the human condition.   Oligarchy, behind whatever label, seems a very common reality in "republic," "democracy" and "socialism."  The law is in the way?   Game the system, hide the crimes, or simply openly Ignore the law.



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  10. 10 hours ago, walk in the woods said:

    Not to defend National too much, but, they've made several attempts to reach underserved youth.  That was part of the thrust of the ISP.  Learning for Life, Scoutreach, Scouting and Soccer, generally fall into that category.  They may be bad at it, but, they've certainly tried.


    3 hours ago, MattR said:

    You're right that the BSA is not a charity, and yet it still needs donations to operate. That's a conflict that I can't see ending well. Fewer donations and fewer volunteers will lead to councils having to charge more than their current costs of $500-$1000/scout/year. This will be a very "elite" organization. For me, I can't volunteer for an organization that isn't set up to take everyone. It's why I'm starting to volunteer at my son's old middle school. Besides, what does it say of the aims regarding citizenship if not all citizens can afford the program?

    If the BSA had the mindset that they were going to take all kids then they would not be in the financial situation they find themselves.Rather than a hammer looking for nails mindset it would require more asking and listening. Personally, I think it would be much stronger and attract a lot more kids.

    But I'm mostly just a clueless old SM with fond memories of watching a lot of kids have fun and grow up.

    The Boy Scouts of America,  EIN  22-1576300,  is legally classified by the Internal Revenue Service of The U.S. Treasury Department as a  "Charitable Organization" under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.  Accordingly, all donations to BSA are includable in "itemized deductions." by any itemizing taxpayer.  The most recent Revenue Ruling to that effect was in November 1965, and its charity status has not been challenged by the Service.

  11. 1 hour ago, Liz said:

    Relax, I am going to try the Microfiber official uniform one first. :) 

    I wasn't planning to make one out of a different brand; I was just considering taking an official BSA "not really a uniform because it doesn't have the insignia" shirt and adding insignia to it. But it still fits the "brand of assorted garments they wish you to buy" standard. 

    But really I'd prefer an official uniform if I can find one that makes my kiddo happy to wear it. 

    She was fine with her blue shirt, which was softer and probably more pre-loved than her tan one. Maybe I wash the heck out of it, it will get more comfortable, but I'm not sure it will happen with her cotton/poly blend. But let's see how she does with the microfiber.  

    Chill.  I am low on the Uniform Police scale because I don't see a "uniform."  If BSA  restored a uniform, I  would reconsider.

  12. 59 minutes ago, David CO said:

    I totally agree with your daughter.  I too am fabric sensitive.  All of the scout shirts feel horrible to me.  I won't wear one.  So I don't wear the uniform.  Uniforms aren't required to participate in scouting.  

    I am hesitant to recommend that anyone alter a uniform shirt, or customize a different shirt to resemble a uniform shirt.  I also don't go along with wearing parts of the uniform with non-uniform wear.  In my mind, it is all-or-nothing.  Wear the uniform or don't wear it.  Your choice.

    All of my shirts are made of French terry knit cotton.  Incredibly comfortable.  Very practical outdoors.  Looks a little casual for dress wear, but it doesn't show much if you wear it with a nice sweater or sports jacket.  A teacher can get away with it.  I think it would be a great material for scout uniform shirts.

    BSA "Sanforized" cotton shorts, shorts,, and trousers, back when there was a uniform, got softer and softer as worn and washed.   After a few months, they felt great!   Repeated washing of the 100% cotton short should soften it.   To me, the cotton/polyester blend feels worst of the choices - slippery when you perspire and never softens.

  13. The microfiber shirt is softer.  


    You violate the rules "making" a BS shirt out of a different brand.  "It's OK to break the rules, Honey, if we really want to."


    A "uniform" would all look the same.  BSA ended uniforms years ago on the grounds that it would increase revenue to increase choice.  Now they have a brand of assorted garments they wish you to buy

  14. "It Happened to Me
    Climbing towards Kearsarge pass to resupply out Onion Valley I was closing the gap between myself and several other more traditional hikers (read large packs) when a ranger appeared on the rise 1/4 mile up the trail. He continued his decent past the traditional hikers but stopped to question me. It was obvious that he had singled me out to check for a canister because my pack was small and, had I wished to, there would have been no way to have avoided this encounter . Even though I told him that I was carrying a canister, he did not believe me and demanded to see it with the comment "Ursacks and homemade canisters are not acceptable". The bottom line is that I had to pull out one of the approved canisters or receive a fine of $150. I produced the Wild Ideas Bearicade for the ranger, who was clearly disappointed that he couldn't make an example out of what had seemed to be an irresponsible ultralite hiker. Truth be known I had been struggling with the canister issue two weeks earlier and had nearly decided to carry Tom Cohen's Ursack TKO, a bear bag made from kevlar that isn't on the approved list."



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  15. 13 hours ago, MattR said:


    @TAHAWK, and everyone else. If anyone quotes articles then they need to do it right. We need to be able to see the reference (a link to the original article is fine - just copy and paste the url) and we need to easily distinguish what is in the article and with what the poster is adding. (This can be done by highlighting the text and hitting the quote button, or using quote marks for small sections).

    There are a couple of reasons for this: First, it's bad form to plagiarize other people's work. Next, the moderators are obligated to understand what is being posted and it would be much easier if references were done correctly. Similarly, it really helps everyone in understanding what the poster is trying to say. You may think you're clearly delineating quoted text from your own but it's not always clear to us.

    Just as in this case, I left clicked on the "reply" space.



    This is what I got when I left clicked on the " button.

    Alas, I wish technology had not passed me by.

    I have no problems in the other three forums that I  frequent.


    A question arose regarding the position of BLM  on the existence of the police.  Obviously, no single person speaks for such a decentralized and diverse movement.

    "A Black Lives Matter Philadelphia representative outlined a five-year plan for the “complete abolition” of the city’s police department.

    Activist YahNé Ndgo discussed her plan during a segment on Fox News Wednesday saying the police aren’t needed for communities to be safe; change is.

    “One of the things that we are demanding over five years is the complete abolition. We don’t want to see any police in our community,” Ndgo told Fox News in an interview Tuesday. “Over the course of those five years, it gives time for the community to begin to build what is needed. We aren’t looking to leave any kind of vacancy around the issue of safety.”

    SOURCE: https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-lives-matter-leader-outlines-five-year-plan-to-eliminate-police/


     SOURCE: VANITY fAIR https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-movement

     "Alicia Garza, founder of the Black Futures Lab and one of the women who coined the phrase #BlackLivesMatter, says that even after 26 criminal-justice reform laws passed in 40 states since 2013, “not much has changed.” About a thousand people are killed at the hands of police every year, according to MappingPolice Violence .org, and the victims are still disproportionately black. That’s why Garza believes true change entails stemming the flow of taxpayer money to police."

    SOURCE: https://time.com/5848318/black-lives-matter-activists-tactics/]

    COMMENT:  Black persons shot to death by police:




    "'We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive but thrive,' Black Lives Matter, the international anti-racist advocacy group, said in a statement. 'George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.'  "

    SOURCE:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/monicamelton/2020/06/08/why-the-aclu-black-lives-matter-and-others-want-to-defund-the-police-while-this-weapons-supplier-disagrees/#fbd0b

     "'This is a long-term abolition movement' said Des Moines Black Lives Matter organizer Matthew Bruce, 24. 'So defunding police is our current demand, but it is certainly not the end goal. The end goal is to completely dismantle and destruct all forms of white supremacy — and policing is a form of white supremacy.'"

    SOURCE: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/government/2020/07/20/defunding-police-what-does-that-mean-in-des-moines-iowa-city-leaders-dont-support-idea-defund-police/5408386002/

     Comment: It is a fact that this story does not reflect that Mr. Bruce was asked if policing civilian criminals who commit thousands of crimes of violence against Black persons, including selling drugs that are killing tens of thousands of Black people annually,  should be including in the goal of "abolition."

     "From oversight to abolition: Black Lives Matter challenges the police in court, and beyond ...

    Episode 958: Via [SIC]  la Commune

    Black Lives Matter Chicago organizers Aislinn Pulley and Kofi Ademola discuss the group’s participation in a class action lawsuit against the City of Chicago over Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s attempt to avoid federal oversight over the CPD, and explain why that oversight is not the end goal, but a first step in process that seeks to abolish the police and prisons, and establish community control of harm reduction and justice in our neighborhoods.  Read the complaint filed in the lawsuit against the City of Chicago and the CPD here."

    SOURCE:  https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/from-oversight-to-abolition-black-lives-matter-challenges-the-police-in-court-and-beyond/

    " Defund the Police – Demands

    Defund the Police. 

    Demilitarize the Police. 

    Disarm the Police. 

    Dismantle the Police. "

    SOURCE: https://blacklivesmatter.ca/defund-the-police/










  16. 6 hours ago, MattR said:


    Maybe what this adds up to is: When we were young it was easy to use the patrol method because we had the experiences, as free range kids, to deal with people problems. And now it's much harder.

    I had luck with having a feedback mechanism for the patrols. Often, people problems would fester but having guidance to show the scouts how to bring up tough subjects in a thorns and roses session helped. It's the little things like this that aren't really described very well. Teamwork really depends on dealing with these types of problems.

    Thanks you for your observation on quotations and citing sources - which observation does not appear when I click "Quote" beneath it.  Instead the above quotation appears, as you see.  

    I will try harder to be clear on what are quotations and the source(s) of those quotations.




    "ACLU staffer fumes at university for accepting Nick Sandmann, calls it a 'stain' on the school: report

    An American Civil Liberties Union official in Kentucky chastised Transylvania University over the weekend for accepting Nicholas Sandmann as a student, calling the move a 'stain' on the institution.

    Sandmann made headlines back in January 2019 when a Native American activist stood in front of the teen and began chanting in his face during a pro-life rally at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.  Sandmann, who was wearing a MAGA hat at the time and is a supporter of President Trump, held his ground and smiled at the man as he continued to talk [and beat a drum] in [sic] his face.

     'Does anyone else think it’s a bit of a stain on Transylvania University for accepting Nick Sandman [sic]? I’m sure it’s a "both sides” defense, but it’s pretty counter to their mission and another instance of there not actually being equal sides to an issue,' [emphasis added] ACLU’s Samuel Crankshaw said in a Facebook post, according to The National Review.

     The comment was temporarily taken down for an additional note to be added but was eventually restored and came back online. Crankshaw later reached out to Fox News and provided this brief statement:

    'The views I expressed on my Facebook page are my personal views that I shared on my personal time,' he said in an email. 'I have a First Amendment right to express them just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. My views do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.'

    Amber Duke, Deputy Director for the ACLU of Kentucky, also reached out to Fox News following the story's publication and provided a statement supportive of Crankshaw, but said his views do not necessarily represent that of the organization.

    'These were personal views expressed on personal time on a personal Facebook account," she wrote in a statement. "The views in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the ACLU of Kentucky. As a stalwart defender of the First Amendment, the ACLU of Kentucky respects its employees' freedom to express themselves on their own time.'


    Following the Lincoln Memorial confrontation , outlets such as CNN and The Washington Post were accused of purposely casting Sandmann –­ and his fellow Covington Catholic students –­ as the main aggressors with misleading reporting. Both outlets ultimately reached a legal settlement with Sandmann after he sued them in court for $250 million.

     The defamation suit sought damages for the 'emotional distress Nicholas and his family suffered' in the fallout of the network's reporting -- and lawyers for Sandmann have said they will target other major outlets who reported on the story in the same way.

    An assistant professor and diversity scholar at Transylvania Unversity, Avery Tompkins, shared a comment on the post before it was taken down, calling Sandmann's 'public behavior and rhetoric atrocious and uninformed,' adding that the young student must accept his class as gospel, The National Review reported. [citing as its source Professor Jonathan Turley, an ACLU staff member and Chaired Professor of Law at George Washington University Law School  https://jonathanturley.org/2020/09/08/aclu-official-attacks-university-for-admitting-nick-sandmann-while-professor-promises-to-monitor-his-conduct/  Turley is a Chicago BA and Northwestern JD.  Professor Turley published a screen shot of Tompkin's deleted comment.]

    'We can’t not admit academically qualified students due to their political and personal views,' he [Tompkins] said. 'If he [Sandmann] ends up in my Intro class, fine. He might learn something that is actually based on research and evidence.'

    Tompkins added that Sandmann is part of groups that hold 'anti-intellectualist views' and would see the professor [Tompkins]  'as part of some liberal brainwashing machine, but signing up for Transy and my class means he is required to learn that information, even if he disagrees.'

    The professor [Tompkins] continued: 'If he were to cause problems by being disruptive, trolling, or engaging in unethical behavior of any kind, I would immediately document it (just like I would for any student doing the same thing)…and he would just be putting himself in a position for me to file a conduct report.' [italics added]

    Tompkins later issued an apology saying, 'I want to apologize for my mistake in singling out a student and any misunderstandings [sic] that arose from that.'

     'One of my favorite things about working at a liberal arts institution is that our community has diverse perspectives,' he [Tompkins] continued. 'All students, faculty and staff are able to engage in civil discourse with those whose views may be different from their own, and to learn about those views in an academic setting. I value and support these conversations with students, and I know that students value these conversations with their peers as well.'

    The university said in a statement to National Review on Tuesday that it would be reviewing the situation and that 'Transylvania, like nearly every campus, is composed of those holding the full range of viewpoints.'"



     Source: Fox News (from https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aclu-official-attacks-university-for-accepting-provocateur-in-training-nick-sandmann/)




    Samuel Crookshank



    Communications Associate




    he, him, his

    Sam joined the ACLU of Kentucky in July 2019. His work primarily focuses on designing outreach materials, managing digital outreach, and documenting the ACLU’s work with photos and videos. Sam and the Communications Director work closely with the advocacy and legal teams to inform and educate the ACLU’s members, activists throughout the state, and the general public about civil liberties issues in Kentucky. 

    Before joining the ACLU, Sam worked for the City of Lexington, KY, as a Graphic and Digital Communications Coordinator, was on the design and planning teams for the 2018 Kentucky Bike-Walk Summit, and was the Deputy Field Director for a congressional campaign. Sam received his BA from Transylvania University in International Affairs and French Language and Literature, with a minor in Studio Art. He graduated summa cum laude and is a Transylvania Scholar. While at Transy, he served on the Student Government Association, was the Program Manager of Transy Bikes, studied abroad, volunteered for local and statewide political campaigns, and interned with the University’s Offices of Community Engagement and Sustainability.

    Sam is a native of Winchester, KY. He got involved with politics at a young age, canvassing for a candidate for the first time at the age of 9. In his free time, Sam enjoys biking, running, spending time with his 3-legged dog, painting, drawing, photography, and watching whatever the hot new binge show is."

     SOURCE: https://www.aclu-ky.org/en/biographies/samuel-crankshaw


     "Dr. Avery Tompkins

    Diversity Scholar


    The first thing you notice about Avery Tompkins is his [sic] energy. He [sic] exudes enthusiasm. Perhaps that comes from the many hours he’s [sic]  spent hiking the Appalachian Trail (around 750 miles so far). Or perhaps, as a self-described “teacher/scholar/activist,” he [sic] is simply accustomed to juggling multiple roles and shifting his [sic] energies from one task to the next."


     SOURCE:  https://www.transy.edu/academics/faculty/atompkins/



  17. To what are we moving?

    A Rhode Island professor with a history of incendiary comments against conservatives is under fire this week for stating in so many words that the fatal shooting of a Patriot Prayer supporter during rioting Portland last month was morally justified.

     Loomis stated: “[Reinoehl, an ANTIFA member by his own account] killed a fascist. I see nothing wrong with it, at least from a moral perspective.”




  18. "Where is the continuity?"

    In my last three troops ,  most kids in a NSP were from the same den.  Over time, some scattered on their own initiative, but most stuck together so long as they were active in the troop.  That period lasted longer in the first troop - which tent camped each month.  The second troop didn't really camp out and turnover was fierce.  The last troop camped almost every month, but as  ad hoc "patrols." organized by the adult who served as SPL in fact.  This was the troop that had "no time" for patrols.

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