Jump to content


  • Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Posts posted by TAHAWK


    "Did a BLM Organizer Say, ‘I Don’t Care If Someone Decides to Loot’?  [downsized]

    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said of the looting, 'This is not legitimate First Amendment-protected speech ... This was straight-up felony, criminal conduct.'



    Correct Attribution
    Correct Attribution"

    "The following evening, members of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement held a solidarity rally in that city with some of the people who had been arrested for looting the night before. Shortly after those events, social media users began circulating a meme stemming from that event, quoting a “BLM leader & organizer” named Ariel Atkins as saying, 'I don’t care if someone decides to loot, because that makes sure that person eats or has clothes. Anything they want to take, they can, because these businesses have insurance.'

    Atkins said essentially the same thing a few days later, when she was interviewed by Chicago NPR station WBEZ on the subject of “why she supports looting”:

    'A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They’re like, ‘Oh, you support the looters.’ And yeah, we do, 100%. That’s reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, ‘We’re angry and this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna take the power back.’"

  2. Portland rioting, vandalism, and looting continues. NPR says calling riots "riots" could be "racist.


    Calling NPR "national" or "public" could be inaccurate.


    "A  [Black] Tennessee state representative called out politicians' response to violence and property destruction taking hold in U.S. cities, saying rioters are 'emboldened because we act like a bunch of punks -- too frightened to stand up and protect our own stuff.'

    'They're getting emboldened because we act like a bunch of punks -- too frightened to stand up and protect our own stuff,' DeBerry said. 'You tell me that somebody's got the right to tear down property that Tennessee taxpayers paid for? That American taxpayers paid for? Somebody has the right to destroy it, deface it, and tear it down? What kind of people have we become that we can't protect our own stuff!?'

    DeBerry has been in office for 26 years and will run for reelection as an independent, citing the 'outrage' in his district over party bosses' efforts to oust him.

    'I was kind of blindsided because I have run as a Democrat since 1995 and I have won 13 elections as a Democrat,' DeBerry said. ... 'My views have always been conservative. The people in my district know this. And even though I've had opponents who have hammered me over and over about my stance on abortion, about my stance on the family and my stance on education, [voters] have overwhelmingly elected me 13 times.'"

  3. PORTLAND, Ore.   August 22, 2020 

    A riot was declared early Saturday outside a police precinct in Portland as rioters continued their ongoing clash with law enforcement.

    Nine arrests came out of the riot. The Portland Police Bureau said several of its officers were targeted by rioters who reportedly threw a railroad spike, eggs, bottles, golf balls, rocks ball bearings, plastic eggs filled with paint and balloons filled with feces. 

    WARNING: Graphic images

    Police said that over a three-hour period, individuals in a crowd of 100 to 150 people pelted police vehicles with softball-sized rocks, glass bottles, golf balls, ball bearings, metal railroad spikes and plastic eggs filled with paint.

     “There were also balloons filled with feces thrown on the cars and even a torn-up street sign was used to vandalize the marked police cars,” police said in a statement. “Windows were broken and tires were deflated.”

    Officers eventually dispersed the crowd except for a few stragglers.

    One of those was shot with a sponge-tipped less-lethal round after he was seen throwing rocks at officers, police said. He was subsequently provided with medical treatment and arrested.

    One of the injured officers was treated for a laceration to her leg after being struck with a rock, police said.

    On Friday, protesters clashed with federal agents outside a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building. People in a group of about 100 late Thursday and before dawn Friday spray-painted the building with graffiti, hurled rocks and bottles at agents and shined laser lights at them, Portland police said.

    The agents set off smoke or tear gas and used crowd-control munitions to try to disperse the crowd. Three people were arrested.

    Also Friday, a number of federal buildings across the city were closed as the FBI investigated a car bomb threat.

    Rioters'  tactics included using lacrosse sticks to fire objects at accelerated velocities from afar at officers.

     A KOIN photojournalist reported hearing at least two gunshots at the garage. Police said in a statement that “a person allegedly fired a gun.” Portland police Lt. Greg Pashley told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the department would investigate.

    • There were a total of 1.12 billion credit cards in 2018 and the projection for 2023 is more than 1.25 billion.
    • The number of credit cards from the four primary credit card networks (VISA, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover) was 679 million in 2018.

    [T]he total number of credit card transactions in the U.S. was 40.8 billion in 2017, up from 37.3 billion in 2016


    There is a total of about $1.5 trillion in U.S. physical currency in circulation.



    The United States is one of the few countries that still relies heavily on checks as payment; Americans wrote, on average, 38 checks in 2015. That might sound small, but the checks add up: In 2012, the total number of checks written by businesses or individuals totaled 21 billion checks. In all, the dollar amount added up to $26.83 trillion.

    The love affair with checks may be strictly American — countries in Europe, like Poland, Denmark, Finland, and the Netherlands stopped issuing checks over the last two decades.


    Our local NE Ohio businesses as of two weeks ago and as of this afternoon have signs asking that one pay with coins if possible due to a "shortage."



  4. Protestors in Portland, Ore. took their fight of over 80 days to the Justice Center on Aug. 16 and declared war.

    Speaking to the gathered crowd, Letha Winston said "This is war you guys. We are at war, are you guys ready?" As the crowd cheered.


    She said that police should have been strangled in the womb by their umbilical cords, and deserve to "fry like bacon" in the electric chair. The crowd cheered.


    Winston's protest was on the same night that [various persons] ... beat a man in the street [after he interfered with the  mugging of a trans person] , leaving him unresponsive after forcing him from his car.  [The person who delivered a power kick to the back of the head of the person being beaten when he was siting, bleeding in the street is being sought by police.]"


    Her son, Patrick Kimmons,  was shot to death two years ago after shooting two people and running at the police with a drawn gun.  The shooting was caught on video tape. Medical staff found that Kimmons had alcohol, ketamine and trazadone — an antidepressant drug — in his system when he died. The officers were cleared by a grand jury.  Her position is that they overreacted and her son was murdered.

    In further Portland news:

    "An unruly crowd on Monday night [August 17] returned to the Portland police union building [in a residential neighborhood], which rioters have set on fire twice, and attempted to flood it, police officials said.

    A crowd of around 200 people marched to the Portland Police Association building in the northern part of the city while chanting 'What do we want? Justice. When do we want it? Now! If we don’t get it? Burn it down!'"

    18th - Riot declared outside Multnomah Building as nightly protests in Portland continue

    Author: KGW Staff
    Published: 10:01 PM PDT August 18, 2020
    Updated: 11:07 PM PDT August 18, 2020

    PORTLAND, Ore. — On Tuesday night, protesters gathered at Colonel Summers Park in Southeast Portland. A post on social media said the group would be rallying for Black Lives Matter and the total abolition of the prison system and police force. 

    Around 9:45 p.m., the group left the park and began marching west down Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard, Beth Nakamura tweeted. The group of protesters marched to the Multnomah Building on Southeast Hawthorne and Southeast Grand which is houses several Multnomah County offices.

    'No cops, no prisons, total abolition.'

    Near the building, on the street, the contents of a dumpster were lit on fire, Garrison Davis tweeted. He also reported that some paper on fire in front of the doors to the building and damage to a window.

    Protesters took rocks and through them through [sic] the windows at the Multnomah Building. On Twitter, the user 'Soundtrack to the End' captured video of windows shattering.

    Flaming debris was thrown through the broken window and started a fire in one of the offices, according to video from Garrison Davis.

    At 10:30 p.m., Portland police declared the gathering outside the building a riot and asked [ASKED!] everyone to leave the area immediately.

  5. Meanwhile, in the county to my south:

    "Individuals with guns showed up at a teenager’s backyard birthday party in Ohio and opened fire, killing an 8-year-old girl.

    It happened around 11:48 p.m. Friday [August August 14, 2020] in Akron at the home of Willie Walker, 62, who was throwing the party for his 15-year-old grandson, according to a report  Saturday.

    'All hell broke out,' Walker told the Akron Beacon Journal. 'I don’t know what the hell happened.'

    Saturday afternoon, Akron police identified the girl as Mikayla Pickett. Spokesman Lt. Michael Miller told Fox News in an email there were no arrests to report and the motive was not known.

    Walker said the shooters were three or four people.

    Akron police said there was a large gathering of teens at the home when the shooting happened, according to the paper. They didn't say who was being targeted.

    Mikayla was pronounced dead at a hospital. Walker said he didn't know her.

    Akron Public Schools spokesman said Mikayla was a student at Portage Path Community Learning Center, according to the paper.

    Police recovered shell casings at the scene.


    Akron police said there was a large gathering of teens at the home when the shooting happened, according to the paper. They didn't say who was being targeted."


    "A cousin told us they were there and ducked behind bushes during the shooting. A neighbor said a bullet when through their house, lodging above their child’s bed. Police believe multiple shots were fired from outside the home."

    "Mikayla’s death is the 31st homicide [Akron] police are investigating this year. “We have six this year that were under the age of 19.” Miller said that’s six too many."



  6. 1 hour ago, MattR said:

    Maybe you could dig into that a bit. Representative of what? Do they have an organization? An address? Is there a way to ask them a question? A contact page? A FAQ? Is there leadership, ways to solve problems, voting, a way to come to consensus, make decisions, anything that is more than just a hashtag and a vague description of what they want? The answer to all of this is no.

    As best I can tell they have a website and a wiki page. The website is very vague and the wiki references web pages that no longer exist on the website. At one point in time the website had a list of 13 guiding principles but that web page no longer exists so any ideas of what BLM stands for has to be gleaned from other pages on the website.

    There are currently 16 chapters in the US and 3 in Canada. In order to become a chapter all you have to do is fill out a form and then someone, from somewhere, will get back to you, probably just to make sure you're for real. There are no other requirements.

    So, again, what is this representative representing?  With no framework all that's left is what ever anyone wants it to be. It's just an inkblot. The person that said go ahead and pillage and plunder wants it to be a mechanism of revenge. All the people that dislike the term BLM wants it to be evil, so they pick and choose what to respond to. All the people that like the term want it to be a source of good. Since it can be anything to anyone, it's really nothing. Certainly it's nothing to criticize and use to make an argument about.

    There's a great article by David Brooks about how radicals bring important problems to light but aren't able to solve them. That requires more pragmatism. So maybe the "BLM representative" that you dislike so much is the radical bringing important problems to light. It's time to move on to someone more important to pay attention to that is more pragmatic.


    Maybe.  Or maybe not. 

    Unlike you (" The answer to all of this is no."),   I have no ready access to information about how BLM Chicago conducts its enterprises.

    BLM Chicago has a website, as you say, but the "contact" page lists no street address.  https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/

    This website list ten "demands":

    1. CLOSE HOMAN SQUARE   - We demand the immediate closing of Homan Square (and all other unknown “black sites”) where over 7,000 people were “disappeared.”

    2. CPAC NOW - We demand the immediate implementation of an elected Civilian Police Accountability Council (CPAC) with mandated inclusion of survivors and families of victims of police torture and violence – voted in by each neighborhood. We reject appointees and bourgeois election proposals, which expand the reach of the state to prevent the power of the people.

    3. NO COPS IN SCHOOL - Cancel CPD contract with CPS. Fund restorative practices in all schools. Additional social workers and student support personnel in our schools.
    Make all schools Sustainable Community Schools.

    4. ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE MURDER & TORTURE - We demand immediate firing & prosecution of all police officers & government officials involved in torture, killing and the cover ups of the murders of Pierre Loury & Ronald Johnson. We demand revoking Dante Servin’s pension for the murder of Rekia Boyd & revoking of pensions of all CPD officers who committed torture.

    5. JUSTICE FOR ALL KILLED BY POLICE - We demand the name of officers involved in killing anyone in the City of Chicago for the duration of the Chicago Police force. We demand the reopening of all closed cases. We need to know the full breadth of brutality.

    6. FIRE MURDEROUS AND ABUSIVE COPS - We demand the immediate firing of CPD officers: Kevin Fry, George Hernandez and Robert Rialmo for the murders of Cedric Chatman, Ronald Johnson, Bettie Jones and Quintonio LeGrier – and we demand criminal charges of murder for each. We demand immediate firing of Officers Murphy and Lopez for brutally beating and tasing Pastor Catherine Brown.

    7. END YOUTH INCARCERATION - We demand the immediate closing of the Cook County Juvenile Detention Center, the largest juvenile prison in the country.

    8. DEFUND THE POLICE - We demand immediate disinvestment in CPD and a reallocation of the operating funds currently allocated toward policing, which represent 40% of the City’s operating budget and result in $4 million a day spent on policing.

    9. INVEST IN COMMUNITY RESOURCES - We demand policing funds be re-invested in our communities through the reopening of the 50 schools closed, reopening of the mental health centers that were closed, housing for the homeless or nearly homeless, funding for crisis centers, free drug treatment and recovery centers, and a jobs program for all who are unemployed or underemployed.

    10. RELEASE IMPRISONED JON BURGE TORTURE SURVIVORS - We demand the immediate release of all torture survivors still in prison. Former CPD Commander Jon Burge & his henchmen tortured over 100 Black & Latinos (the youngest known was 13). Some still remain in prison despite the City admitting that they were tortured. Free them now!

    Again, Black Lives Matter, Chicago identifies her on its Facebook page ( Facebook.com/BLMChi/videos/our-own-ariel-atkins-speaking-to-the-need-to-freeze-police-budget-with-chicago-t/2583926691653475/ ) as "Our own Ariel Atkins."  the Communist Party, Newsweek, NBC, PBS, Insight Into Diversity , The Daily Northwestern, Parole Illinois, and numerous  media outlets, identified her as speaking for Black lives matter, Chicago.  I merely state facts.  How you react to facts is up to you.    BLM Chicago is free to disown its "own," but I cannot find that they have.  


    "The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is 'based on racism.' [Except cops?]

    Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group '100 percent' supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City Monday, again repeating her claim that it is 'reparations.'

    'The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,' she told the NPR station.

    “Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

    Ariel Atkins, a lead organizer for Black Lives Matter Chicago, leading a protest Monday outside the Chicago Police Department’s District 1 station.
    (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

    At least 13 cops were injured and 100 people arrested in violent clashes that led to a mostly black community in the troubled South Side to kick out a BLM march the next day.

    Atkins attacked Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot — who is black — for calling the looting “straight-up felony, criminal conduct.”

    “'t’s like her deciding what is criminal and what isn’t,' Atkins said as she suggested that calling the thieves criminals was itself a form of racism.

    “I will support the looters till the end of the day. If that’s what they need to do in order to eat, then that’s what you’ve got to do to eat,' she said of those who even tried to smash their way into a Ronald McDonald House caring for sick children and their families.

    Atkins dismissed the idea that civil rights had 'ever gotten wins' from 'peaceful protests.'

    'Winning has come through revolts. Winning has come through riots,' she said."


    18 U.S. Code 2101. Riots

    (a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent

    (1) to incite a riot; or
    (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
    (3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
    (4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;

    and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph

    Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


  7. The issue that I addressed was whether a Black Lives Matter representative stated that looting was acceptable.  You suggested that the sources that you  named saying that she did express that view were "conservative," implying that this made them untrustworthy. I cited several non-conservative sources for the same story, including Black Lives Matter itself.  The representative of SBLM, Ariel Atkins, then told NPR - a left-wing source: " that her group '100 percent' supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City Monday, again repeating her claim that it is 'reparations.”'  'The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,”' she told ... NPR...."   So, in Ms. Atkins' world view, Blacks - or Asians - who murder other Black persons are not "criminals."

    SBLM has not come forward to repudiate Ms. Atkins' spew.

    This seems to me to be unrelated to Russian perfidy and very much related to SBLM perfidy.

    • Upvote 2
  8. I do not understand that U.S intelligence did officially conclude there was impact.  Which is why I did not say they did.


    To believe that they did not attempt to access effect seems is to suggest that they are incompetent.


    We are more than Scouters here.  We are more than BSA Scouting devotees here.  As Americans, we should be interested in whether any foreign nation is impacting our political processes.

  9. The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is “based on racism.”

    Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group “100 percent” supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City Monday, again repeating her claim that it is “reparations.”

    “The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,” she told the NPR station.

    “Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

    “I will support the looters till the end of the day. If that’s what they need to do in order to eat, then that’s what you’ve got to do to eat,” she said of those who even tried to smash their way into a Ronald McDonald House caring for sick children and their families.

    Atkins dismissed the idea that civil rights had “ever gotten wins” from “peaceful protests.”

    “Winning has come through revolts. Winning has come through riots,” she said.


    Atkins had no sympathy for the businesses damaged in the spree, which included a small convenience store likely to go out of business after being looted twice in months.

    “The fact that anybody gives a s–t about these businesses over what is happening in this city right now and the pain that people are in and the suffering that is taking place, I don’t care,” she admitted.


  10. Portland protesters, rioters target police with lasers and fireworks outside federal courthouse

    Portland protesters and rioters returned to a federal courthouse late Wednesday into early Thursday morning, launching fireworks toward police, shining lasers into officers’ eyes and splashing at least one cop with paint, authorities said Thursday morning.

    Several hundreds of people in the Oregon city gathered near the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, the neighboring Multnomah County Justice Center and a nearby police precinct station after nights of demonstrations elsewhere, including a different precinct and the offices of Portland Police Association.

    The group set off commercial-grade fireworks in the direction of the fence protecting the courthouse shortly after 10:30 p.m. Police ordered them over the loudspeaker to “stop launching fireworks and starting fires,” according to a press release.

    nstead, some members of the group allegedly responded by shining lasers into the faces of officers making the announcements. Others blocked traffic and started at least one small fire in front of a nearby precinct, authorities said.

    Police declared an unlawful assembly shortly after 11:30 p.m., but the events continued to escalate.

    “A large explosive and other fireworks were thrown towards officers, along with fist sized rocks, bottles, and cans of paint,” police said.

    By midnight, police reclassified the unlawful assembly as a riot, at which point the group allegedly moved back toward the area of the courthouse.

    “They threw eggs and continued to launch commercial grade fireworks towards officers,” police said.

    The crowd had dissipated by roughly 2:30 a.m. but not before someone vandalized a police car parked in the area.

    Over the course of the night, officers used tear gas to break up the crowd. Several people were arrested and multiple police officers were hurt, including one who suffered a severe hand injury.

    Associated Press


    Sounds like the Russians?

  11. 13 hours ago, Navybone said:

    I can see how you might think that had I made a reference to the previous post, but I did not.  

    my post was about Russian (and Chinese) efforts to divide the American populous as a whole.  But you obviously do not agree with that as a real threat.   , right.  Us intel community is clueless?  Your too smart to fall for it?  

    Americans are doing a fabulous job on their own.   


    U.S. Intel repportedly leaked the view that the Russians impacted the 2016 election.  The U.S. Government under Obama disagreed.   So we must try to access the weight to be given the unofficial reports of an officially  questionable source.

  12. But your source is questionable.  

    The "issue" was whether Ariel Atkins spoke for Black lives matter given that media you find "conservative" identified her as such.  Turns out media that are clearly left-wing AND Black Lives Matter itself identify her as speaking for Black Lives Matter.  Ariel Atkins is a Russian agent provocateur?  She's been at it for years.  Sleeper agent?

  13. The latest hurt feeling over "cultural appropriation, is female non-Asians using makeup to make their eyes look elongated - slanted.  The "fox-eye" trend

    The Stanford Forum out on la la land decries such "Unapologetic cultural appropriation"  CNN: "The 'fox eye' beauty trend continues to spread online. But critics insist it's racist"


    Mexican food fairs at colleges are similarly denounced - for the food and the music.

    Can Italian use of noodles, invented in China, be far behind?

    "Marcelled" hair, Reverend Sharpton?  Cornrows on White females?

    White women claiming to be Black so they can be elected head of NAACP chapters?("I identify as Black.")

    The "0"  -   invented in India?


    Scotch made outside Scotland?

    Use of "Thursday" - named for the God Thor - for the fifth day of the week ?  Woden'sday?  


  • Create New...