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    I see under the Headlines there is a story about a boy being hurt at a Boy Scout yard sale on Saturday. That was my son's troop. We were there. The yard sale is THE fundraiser of the year for this troop. Normally it is held in May and at another location. For various reasons it we happened to be in that parking lot on this particular Saturday. We had done a lot of business Friday evening as we unloaded the trucks full of donated items. The parking lot is at an intersection shaped like a "T". A very busy intersection only about a mile from the interstate. The bus was stolen from an area about 30 miles from our town. The man did not know to release the brakes, which cause the bus to catch fire. Most people heard the bus hit the sign, looked up to see a flaming bus heading toward us, coming down a small embankment. Luckily it came at the edge of our area and the sign made it stop. It was already being followed by a fire truck and helicopter. The driver jumped out and ran. Some of the men saw that and continued to follow him across the busy parking lot, causing him to be caught by security guards. We are all very upset about the young boy who was hurt. As of about 11:00 Saturday night, he was out of surgery and in serious condition. He was a 7 year old shopping with his mother, in his baseball uniform. One of our scouts was hit with flying debris. One of our fathers hurt (I think broke) his hand. One scout scraped up his knee pretty bad when he fell while running. The 7 year old was life lifted to the nearest children's hospital. We are a suburb of Atlanta, Georgia, so it didn't take long for the helicopter to get him there. He had head injuries and a broken leg. Customers who had items in their hand, came back to pay. Some people showed up later after seeing it on the news and gave us money. Word got to our Council and District, representatives from both showed up to help in the clean up later that day. A neighboring troop showed up to help clean up. Some of those boys had just returned from Summer Camp that morning. We had about 14 boys there when it happened. They all showed great courage and behaved wonderfully. They stayed out of the way, were concerned about each other and their parents. Many of these boys are only 11 years old. Most knew immediately they needed to call their mothers or whoever was at home to tell them before the news hit the TV's and radios. Many dads were there and a few of us moms. We took the boys into the Walmart to eat. They all were wonderfully patient as we tried to get food for 20 people. Some could not eat because of the stress. Since our whole yard sale became the police scene, many of us went home to rest and came back later. Some of the boys stayed at home. We were already tired before this happened. The boys knew to be very thankful it was not worse than it was. I did not hear ANY disrespectful remarks from these young men. Some had to wait to see their dads, who were over near the rescue units. The managers of Walmart were personally concerned about us and about the mother of the hurt boy. They immediately brought ice water out to everyone in the area. Thanks for reading such a long post. Please keep our boys and the injuried child in your thoughts. A grief counselor is being contacted to attend our next troop meeting and be available for the boys and adults. We are very fortunate no one was trapped under the bus or directly hit. True Scout spirit showed as the boys stuck together through the afternoon and the men assisted the police and rescue teams. Also, when the other Scouts and Scouters showed up to help with the clean up and give emotional support.
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    A major embarrassment

    Hey Guys! Long time, no talk. I'm no longer a scout mom, just "mom of teenage boy". No longer a Cub Scout leader. Heard this news story and knew this place would be buzzing with talk. At first I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he received an email that he didn't request. I've known that to happen. News now says they found 520 images including video clips of boys, some under the age of 12. He had been doing this for years. As an outsider, let me say this....if a Scout or leader or employee does "good" everyone wants to say "Look, He/She is a member of BSA". Well, this guy represents BSA as well. Sad that many boys will be confused by his actions compared to what BSA says it stands for. Why look up to those Eagle Scouts? Why try to attain that rank? Will his Eagle award be taken away? Is this somehow excusable because he isn't an "avowed homosexual"? Is he a pedophile? Is he a homosexual because he was looking at pictures of boys, not girls? Do some of you NOW understand that getting rid of all "avowed homosexuals" does not get rid of pedophiles? (these are rhetorical questions and not sure if I'll be back to see any answers anyway) I do hope that he has not harmed any children. I also pray for his family because this must be extremely difficult for them. Hope all are well and happy. Yours truly, Formerly Sctmom
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    First aid kit

    What do you have in your first aid kit for dayhikes, car camping, backpacking?
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    Boys Life cover

    National also distributed a computer CD for the troop level. I didn't look at the one I had, just passed it on to the troop. It came in a sleeve that looked like a backpack. From what I gathered, the boys could create a disk that showed the things their troop did and how cool scouting was. Then they would share that disk with their friends. It was aimed at 11 and 12 year old scouts. I never did get my hands on the Cub scout disk, as much as I tried.
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    Constant Behavior Problems

    One more comment about the stick in the fire...this is a TOP rule with our pack -- up there with the buddy system, NO POKING THE FIRE, Scouts are to NEVER put ANYTHING in the fire. Never, never, never. We even tightly control marshmallow and hotdog roasting. Maybe with one or two kids it is possible to do, but with the scouts we have too many to do it safely.
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    Constant Behavior Problems

    Did you address the mother specifically to tell NO STICKS? Our pack has found we have to do that at times. Does the boy have documented behavior/emotional problems? Maybe sit down with the mother and explain the problem and ask for solutions. Ler her and son know that next time they will be asked to leave immediately. On a recent campout, we had a 5 year old sister who kept wandering out of eyesight (behind the picnic pavilion). I finally looked her straight in the eye and said "if you are mad and want to walk away, fine, but you must be where i can see you. if you walk away again, I will ask your parents to take you home." She understood immediately and complied.
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    Not trying to get off subject, just adding a bit of info --- my sister is Pagan. She attended a Protestant church a few months back when I got baptized. She recently attended a Catholic Mass for someone who had died. We all might learn something from attending Vespers even if it is not the same religion we practice each day.
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    Nursing Home gift craft idea help

    I would also recommend decorating cards. We did some last year by cutting out snowflakes from white paper. The younger kids glued on snowflakes that older kids cut out. Folded a piece of construction paper in half, snowflake on front (sometimes more than one snowflake on front). Inside glued 1/2 sheet of white paper and the kids drew pictures or wrote Happy Holidays (give them an example). The boys also colored Christmas type pictures I printed off the internet. All ages enjoyed that. Both of these are things that even the younger siblings can help with.
  9. This should be of interest to Scouters of Cubs AND Boys. The new Webelos handbook is out. There are changes to the requirements for the Webelos badge and the Arrow of Light. Some (not all) Other changes: Webelos Badge requires Fitness and Citizen Activity Badges. Arrow of Light requires Outdoorsman badge. AOL also required doing the Honesty Character Connection (a detailed discussion about promises and honesty). NEW requirements for Outdoorsman badge: Do 2 of these: 1. Present yourself to your Webelos den leader properly dressed, as you would be for an overnight campout. Show the camping gear you will use. Show the right way to pack and carry it. 2. With your family or Webelos den, help plan and take part in an evening outdoor activity that includes a campfire. 3. With your parent or guardian take part in a Webelos den overnight campout or a family campout. Sleep in a tent that you have helped pitch. 4. With your parent or guardian, camp overnight with a Boy Scout troop. Sleep in a tent you have helped pitch. AND DO FIVE OF THESE: 5. During a Webelos den meeting, discuss how to follow the Leave No Trace Frontcountry Guidelines during outdoor activities. 6. Participate in an outdoor conservation project with your Webelos den or a Boy Scout troop. 7. Discuss with your Webelos den leader the rules of outdoor safety. Using these rules, show how to build a safe fire and put it out. 8.With your accompanying adult on a campout or outdoor activity, assist in preparing, cooking and cleanup for one of your den's meals. Tell why it is important for each den member to share in meal preparation and cleanup, and explain the importance of eating together. 9. Discuss with your Webelos den leader the things that you need to take on a hike. Go on one 3-mile hike with your Webelos den or a Boy Scout troop. 10. Demonstrate how to whip and fuse the ends of a rope. 11. Demonstrate setting up a tent or dining fly using two half hitches and a taut-line hitch. Show how to tie a square knot and explain how it is used. 12. Visit a nearby Boy Scout camp with your Webelos Den.
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    Scouting & Poverty

    I just read this today. Due to some personal problems I have been considering quitting Scouting. Last night I had one of "those" moments. Young boy in my neighborhood that has lots of family problems and school problems joined cubs this year. His family barely survives. His grandfather paid his registration and got his uniform for him. The parents barely can take care of themselves, much less children. I got the pack to pay for the family to go on a family campout. Borrowed a tent for them, others put up the tent for them. Let them borrow a couple of sleeping bags for the kids. To be honest by the end of the one night campout this family had worn most of us out -- the parents and the children have NO social skills, we spent a lot of time making sure the children didnt' take other's things and didn't wander off. I had moments of "what have i done?" Last night I saw the young boy. First he made a big point of coming over to me to see if I needed help carrying stuff to my car (of course I did). I asked how he liked camping -- he was BEAMING! He loved it. I could see him grow a foot taller with pride. He confided that he had stayed dry through the night camping, something very hard for him to do. I may not be able to change his home situation. But I hope that this one trip can give him some self confidence and show him how other people live. Even if he only remembers one thing about the campout, it will be worth every bit of aggravation from his parents. I drove away wiping the tears from my eyes and thinking "THIS is why we do this stuff"
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    managing boys

    EagleDad, I also thought the snack should come last but then remembered that the den meets at 3:30 in the afternoon. The boys are probably ready for a snack when they get to the meeting.
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    Things That Work.

    Therm-a-rest self inflating sleeping pads!
  13. Maybe I missed something, but in your list of everyone you contacted it sounds as though you are focusing on males. While that might be a great idea for men to Webelos leaders, it is not reality in many communities. What about some of the moms of those Webelos?
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    managing boys

    As the others said -- busy, busy, busy. Get a wall advancement chart from the Scout shop -- something like $1.35. Let the boys put sticky stars on the chart when they complete an achievement. Do get Program Helps -- a wonderful thing. Maybe it's just me, but I shudder everytime I hear the idea of the candle. The last thing I want in the room with a bunch of active boys is an open flame!!! First safety. Next boys are atracted to fire -- some will spend the whole meeting staring at it or trying to play with it. The idea of den rules is also great -- you may have to suggest some of the rules, but usually they are very good at coming up with the rules. Start each meeting the same. I always used the Pledge of Allegiance and Cub Scout Promise -- it triggers everyone's brain that it is Cub Scout time and get focused.
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    What are the Girl Scout Ranks equal to those in Boy Scouts

    Well said Campaholic & Yarrow. If a parent doesn't like the direction of the Scouting Program (girls or boys), then they need to step forward and see that it is done the "right way".
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    What are the Girl Scout Ranks equal to those in Boy Scouts

    There are still lots of girls in the United States that are told they can't have traditional male jobs. Studies have been done that show girls are still steered away from math and science in high school. Society teaches boys to be the leaders and girls to be the followers. Yes, there are some areas where this is not true. But you might be surprised (as I have been) at how many people still live in the 1940's mindset when it comes to education of females.
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    What are the Girl Scout Ranks equal to those in Boy Scouts

    Yes, that is the right age comparison. And that's about all you can compare. I'm not sure what you think is "not fair". Perhaps that is a discussion for a different thread. If you are refering to earning the Gold vs. earning Eagle, I think you are misunderstanding a few things. The Gold award is very hard to achieve and requires a set number of hours and many other achievements (like boys earn merit badges). The difference is you can't have a 13 year old Girl Scout with her Gold. Just not allowed. That age earns her Silver (still a major project). You must remember Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts have different Goals --- because boys and girls have different needs.
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    What are the Girl Scout Ranks equal to those in Boy Scouts

    Girl Scout "ranks" are not like Cub Scout ranks. Cub Scouts still earn their rank each year. Girl Scouts are called Daisy, Brownie, Junior, Cadette, and Senior. It is not a rank but a level. Like Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts are two levels of the same program.
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    Need Some Input

    The boys probably will not tell you if money is a problem, they may not know themselves. I had this problem last year. I started calling each parent and asking them if they had a chance to get the book yet. If the money issue comes up, then let them know if the pack is willing to help. They may not be reading the note that is sent home.
  20. We always play a few games at pack meetings, give out awards (we need to improve and actually have ceremonies), and never go over an hour. I'm trying to incorporate more skits. Special events like PWD, B&G, Halloween Party, are NOT at pack meetings. We have a pack meeting and PWD in the same month. PWD is just that --- the derby. People will get up and start walking out after an hour. Kids need to get home and get to bed. I agree with minimal announcements because you know what? People aren't listening anyway. To me a great pack meeting has skits, songs, games and awards. Belt Loops can be given out in den meetings. Instant recognition beads are to be given out at den meetings.
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    Religious Affiliation

    I do believe this is the first time I've seen someone call OGE an "self acclaimed know-it-all". Moving up in the world, OGE? LOL
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    Getting the Round-up Paperwork in

    Our district tells us the prorated amount for registration and for Boy's Life. For parents who do not have money that night, they are to return to the next meeting with money. That week we will figure out a way to get those to the council, no need to hold up the other 25 new scouts registration. The health history doesn't go to the council, that stays with the pack, you can gather it later. Why do they need the SSN of boys and non-leader-parents? Most don't know their boy's number and I see no need for that info to be written down. The leader apps need the SSN to do a background check, but not the boy.
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    Getting the Round-up Paperwork in

    Our district has us turn it in THAT night. Since our district is rather large, as in many miles, the DE sat at a central location each SNFS waiting for units to return with their package of apps.
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    Autism II

    While browsing some Cub Scout manuals last night I found something your den leaders and the mother should read. There is a section in the Cub Scout Leader handbook about working with boys with disabilities. There is also a section in the Cub Scout Leader How-To book about working with boys like this, including a small section on boys with autism. If memory serves me correctly, there is even a special booklet from BSA about Working With Boys With Disabilities. I say share these with the mother so she can have some ownership in this and feel more in control. Please keep us posted as to how this works out.
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    Who goes family camping?

    In another thread NJCubscouter said the following: (But now that I think about it, even calling it family camping is misleading to a degree. The name Cub Camporee was probably the most descriptive of the the three. It really is a Camporee scaled down to Cub Scout size, with the "unit competition" aspect removed and everything being planned and run by adults with some assistance from older Boy Scouts. As far as the camping itself, the focus was really on the pack rather than the family. (And the "family" was usually a father and son(s) in their own tent, though there were usually 2 or 3 mothers along as well, either with husband or not. Now and then a family would be there with dad, mom, Cub and 4-year-old little sister; but since this was happening at a Boy Scout camp, with all the (ahem) accommodations of a Boy Scout campsite, by the next trip mom and little sis mysteriously found something better to do for the weekend, in the warmth and dryness of their home, with its beds and bathrooms.) The pack was together in a site, and we cooked as a pack, with the adults leading the way, usually assisted by boys going for their Outdoorsman badge.) **** Okay, I have some comments. Our council Scout camp isn't luxurious but it does have some flush toilets. Our pack and most in our district do FAMILY camping a few times a year. That means the WHOLE family, everybody from toddlers to grandmas. I think your assumption about why the females don't come back may be WRONG. How about the fact they get the hint that they aren't welcome? How do you handle the boys with no dad around (divorce, death, illness, job, military, etc)? What about the dad who has to bring the other kids because mom is not available?