prairie

I agree with Beaver on this one, the Centenial beats the ODLR hands down, if only it was made Stateside, I have a Suplex short sleeve and a poplin long sleeve. If the pockets bother you stitch them down flat, they still can hold a card or folded up paper but won't pooch out in ways that make full figured Scouters wince at their reflections in the mirror. I've read the Uniform guide, nothing says you can't do this, and it's reversable, I would not remove the bellows and reattach at this time though if a revised shirt comes out with the same pocket outline but flat you might copy that, your shirt, your choice.

I plan to have them make Wren houses, I'm trying for projects that will be used for years instead of crafty stuff that will be thrown out or stored away. Also thinking of a toy they will have fun with after it's made. Maybe a Scout theme wall rack for hats, neckers and such, all Scouty stuff in one place?

"Here's to the hope that the old uniform will return and that the Centennial uniform will fade into Scouting history as an idea that was given a fair shot."

Which old uniform? The ODLR, the last OG with flat pockets offered in the 70s, the 60s era OGs which were the last of the well made in the USA uniforms and had the front pleats?

Okay, I see I got caught up the the spirit of the tale instead of keeping to the reported facts, no agents showed up, don't remember what fine was, employer did have more than ten employees and yard was on comercial property. The $15,000 was what the kid thought was comming his way.

Sorry bout that.

This reminds me of how people read a book, most read it for the joy of a good story

but a few want to disect it as Literature, hunting for hidden meanings and motives.

Any guess who really gets the authors point of the book?

Some sugested names:

Adult Scoutcraft Trek

Adult Fieldcraft Trail

ScoutCraft Journey

Nudder thought, how young can a trainie be? I'dd like to see Scouts who plan to be a

ASM to get this training BEFORE they turn 18 so they can hit the ground running.

Open to Venturing youth too? GSUSA and Campfire leaders?

Nudder thought: avoid the obsession with patrol symbols, something as simple as Grey

Patrol or Green Patrol should work fine and plain neckers could be used if needed,

if there is only one patrol why bother.

Seems avoiding as much as reasonable what defines WoodBadge would be good.

I don't think anybody wants GernBadge to replace WoodBadge, the focus is very

diffrent and WB is so entrenched now nothing short of directives from on high will

change it. As long as the bead wearers don't feel threatened BG has a chance.

Spose this will ever get far enough along for a field test?

SR540Beaver wrote:

"Kudu, give it a rest. Leadership and skills can indeed be taught as separate courses that compliment each other."

SR540Beaver, but should they? I think your missing the point of this thread, this is supposed to be a one week emersion in Scoutcraft/fieldcraft, disecting the coursework into a bunch of facets just makes for a lot of classroom time talking things to death. The leadership should be entwined with all the rest.

Ours was a minor variation, Scouters signaled who was to be tapped out, taps were administered, when all were tapped somebody behind you thrust your bed role into your hands and then all canidates were husteled off into the dark by the runners, ceremony often didn't start till after 10PM, if parents were there they stood behind the formation, NO PHOTOS, no yardlights, this made a real impression on first year and even 2nd year campers. Now council won't even allow the riding of horses in the ceremony, has to be lead in. If that horse was any more docile is would be asleep.

(pardon my spelling)

Gern and John:

If you think that will work I'm all for it.

Where do I sign up!

Just been rereading my 1950s era handbooks for scoutmaster and patrol leader, this dovetails almost perfectly. As to the proablem of not enough time in one week, why not have a training/testing season a week before, so that those who won't do any preparing ahead of time to be ready can be asked to comeback whey the are prepared. As an example, if they can't tie 5 or 6 basic knots they they are not ready, theres too much to cover with out doing remedial training. Or is the intention to take total novices and turn then into woodsmen/women? IE how low is the bar?

P.S. please don't make Woodbadge a prerequiste, some can't afford the time for that kind of training.

Seems the Pros just wanted some cool toys to play with when they are supposed to be working.

I should find out just what this "Innovation Council" purpose is.

edit update: found this

http://www.cornhuskercouncil.org/news/?id=511

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If some council wants this risk, good luck. I can see where one would make a fine rescue vehicle, would its use stay restricted to that?

It should not be a merit badge, otherwise we will soon have merit badges for motorcycle, atv, snowmobile, and car driving. I find it odd there is a merit badge for motorboating but then there are full page ads selling things related to this in the back of older Boy Scout Handbooks.(This message has been edited by prairie)

My head must be wired up wrong this week, from the information given I can imagine events along this line.

Scout after being told many times not to do dangerous activity still does same and hurts himself, parent threatens lawsuit, troop/district/council coughs up money to make proablem go away and many appoligies all around, parent wonders why scout is no longer welcome. Nondisclouser agrement makes for odd internet posting.

I truly hope I am wrong, wrong, wrong.

Stuff more or less off topic:

One upside of being a pesimest, frequently you are supprised when things go better than expected.

I saw this happen, boy spazzed out with hatchet and made small hole in his upper leg, bled normal amount, he wasn't even that bothered by it. When his dad told him his mother would hear about the accident THEN he got upset. Dad took son to hospital and returned in a few hours, only result was boy for now leaves sharp tools alone.

Talked to a guy this week, friend of his hired a kid to mow yard, next thing he knows OSHA shows up and demands payment of $15,000 for him hireing an underage worker (by one year) to run power equipment, said lawnmower. Turns out it was the kid that turned him in, thinking the $15,000 fine would be his reward.

Grandpa died and left teenage grandson his Dodge Viper, a week later he goes to do big smokey burnout at local carwash, maybe he didn't notice that washbay had a cement block wall at the other end insead of an open door, theres an opening now but that will be repaired soon.

Sounds good to me, reclassifie the tan shirts as Dress and produce green shirts for Field uniforms,current pants, shorts, neckersheifs, socks, and hats could be used with either. No shoulder tabs, discourage dangely things and other visual clutter (how many items do you really need to wear to show people your in OA or been to WoodBadge), offer at least two fabric choices, a cotton cheap enough that if it gets ruined it can be replaced and a hitech fabric for hot weather wear by us old fat geezers, US made? A new boy would be encoureged to get a Field shirt first and maybe never need a Dress version, unless he belongs to a troop whose idea of adventure is a trip to the library downtown.

Come to camp Ingawanis, who else has the Wapsi Wranglers?

http://www.winnebagobsa.org/wranglers/index.asp

http://www.winnebagobsa.org/ingawanis/

You will never know your less than 20 miles from Interstate 20 just north of Waterloo/Cedar Falls Iowa.

Time for my health dose of crow, I do have my old beret, even has my name scrawled inside, one of my sisters musta taken the patch off though. Need to find another patch and get it sewn on, another item in my uniform colection.

Can't wear it if I wanted to, seems my skull is bigger now.

Looks to me like some are just trolling for loot, but what do I know, I stalled out at Star.

scoutldr wrote:

"The shorts and pants are already being advertised on Scoutstuff e-mails. I thought the Switchbacks were supposed to eliminate the need for shorts."

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They did, however they didn't stop me from wanting better uniform shorts, I would also love a pair of long pants made of suplex as light as the first Switchbacks. with drawstrings at the bottom they would be great for really buggy conditions and timew when you cant keep enough sunblock on your legs to protect them. Guess I have never gotten used to the zippers.

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Nick, I think you have one of the proablems identified, the boys feel forced to keep scouting, how long have they felt that way? Maybe I should feel lucky, I chose to join a Cub den in October of 3rd grade, only reason I remember was we made masks, it was my choice, nobody had mentioned I could do this, frankly the first big choice like that I had made in my life, and it would have been easy for my folks to say no, always grumping about all the extra trips to town from our farm.

So is the trick to let boys think it's their idea to be Scouts and stay in Scouting?

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"maybe we should have the option of buying "Scoutcloth" and sewing up our own uniforms."

I posted something like this a year or two ago, didn't think of the cloth but did have the idea of offical shirt patterns, free to down load or sold at cost. Nudder lead ballon.

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I'dd bet most of these "must have new uniforms" needs could be handled by having one complete uniform for group photos and events like that. Would be a bit much to make everybody dump out their bags and stand inspection before they can board the bus. Gotta believe there will be a run on the Suplex short sleeve shirts next year.

Stopped off at the ScoutShop for some BOGO, asked if they had replacement buttons for the centenial uniform, they didn't last year when it was brand new. To my pleasant supprise she gave me several buttons at no charge.

I thought it was for the oversized hearing aids we older Scouters need.

Now that I think of it none of the boys seem intrested in going, so it might just be me and one or two Scouters.

Four pages and I didn't see one mention of looking for somebody that has been away from the program for a while. Somebody whos own children are grown and gone but no grandkids yet or they live far away.

I always feel lucky looking back on the fact Mrs. McMartin ran a den of twelve or more mostly by herself even though her own boy had moved on 3 years earlier.

As it stands now, this fall my fellow scouter whos son is in his mid twentys and I who never had a child will be leading the Webelos, seems none of the parents wanted the job. We do have one advantage, when we go home its to nice quiet houses.

As an adult I figure 90% of the activites are not for me to do anyway, the Jamboree is for boys, not geezers like me who sometimes forget how old they are.