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Compensation for Nonprofit CEOs in the US: Where the Donation Buck Stops (1/31/03) By Marie Michael, OP, Adrian Dominican Sisters In a 2000 survey of nonprofits, the median CEO compensation, including cash benefits, was $75,000. The salaries above the median, however, bring the excesses in CEO pay to light. Predictably, the larger the organization, the more robust the CEO pay - and the more money diverted away from programs. In June 2001, the St. Petersburg Times reported that the CEO of Neighborly Senior Services was paid $162,000 - well above the $82,600 cap imposed by the state

The more this happens the worse Scouting's image gets and the MORE people WON'T let their kids join and WON'T become volunteers themselves. Again, it is time to deal with this ongoing NATIONAL problem. If it's happening all over, on a recurring and regular basis (and it IS recurring and regular) the problem has NOT been solved. "Youth Protection" in BSA is a great program - in theory. In practice - has everyone already forgotten about who was running it? Pedophilia is the gorilla in the room that NOBODY wants to talk about. While other parts of the country may have adults clam

Now, now, let's not get personal.... I have raised what I - and others - believe are valid and serious issues. Most of those I know feel that it is pointless to even raise these concerns within Scouting. They have already "given up." I have higher hopes for BSA. I have laid out MORE facts and figures than you are likely to get from BSA itself on most of the issues I have raised. Challenged, I have backed up my assertations. "Appropriate" compensation levels have been a topic for regular discussion in non-profit circles under the "ethical and moral" behavior heading. Mr. W

This article - from 2001 - (sent to me by another who seems to have wondered about all this) puts Williams compensation THEN at the TOP of the category Boy Scouts was in. And it went up substantially fromm 2001 to 2003 and has undoubtedly gone up more since. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0377/is_2001_Wntr/ai_69411632 "Are nonprofit CEOs overpaid? Public Interest, Wntr, 2001 by Peter Frumkin Save a personal copy of this article and quickly find it again with Furl.net. It's free! Save it. THE nonprofit sector has acquired a black eye in recent years

"Volunteers outnumber professional by over 100 to 1. Wouldn't raising the quality of volunteers have a much greater impact on the program? " Can't argue with THAT logic. All of what is wrong IS the fault of volunteers because we let it happen. Now please head up to Chicago and help them get the leadership they voted DOWN out of their positions. They've done everything as they should - behaved as nice Scouts and overcome impossible rules to succeed in ousting their leadership but the leadership there won't leave. No point in adding to the list..... I notice you've avoided any

"Why are some Councils suffering? Lack of leadership and bad management. Failure to replace SE's who continue to fail to get results because they are arrogantly ineffective at motivating and working with volunteers." Exactly. And the original "motivation" that pushed me beyong a focus on my own units. But the problem it that you CAN'T get rid of a bad one. BSA has rigged the system. You DON'T have any voice or control as a volunteer. It's not bad if you have a good SE and Board but if not..... SE's get in and choose their own Boards - the only group that can remove

Williams is doing VERY well even without the deferred compensation - and keep in mind that he's in Irving Texas, NOT NY, Chicago or LA. 2003 Williams Recap - $433,830 salary, $10,336 auto, $11,026 Life Insur $23,127 contr to pension and $434,874 deferred compensation His salary is far above the average cited below for non-profits(which includes some very well paid foundation heads) and he received a 12% increase in 2003 (three times the average increase noted below). And what kind of raise did YOU get in 2003? I bet Williams' $45,039 - salary increase alone - is more than so

The letter below was published in response to one trying to justify the sale of Owasippe. It was forwarded as part of a package but it sums things up nicely. The volunteers there have voted down the candidates for their board twice but cannot oust curretn leadership Note the comments referring to Learning for Life. Chicago was teh center of a scandal regarding its precurser program in the 1970's. Is this the future of Scouting? Sell off all the camps, ignore the SCouters and focus on LFL because ther you can BUY numbers (of fake them easier) BTW the National head of LFL i

"lol Semper. Operators are standing by, I'm sure. And if you survive your knife wound, while you are recovering you can watch your new DVD of Follow Me Boys starring Fed MacMurrary, Best Price $15.99 at the Scouter Catalog! " You know I loved that movie...the Capra-esque idealism....a life thought wasted is shown to have had purpose and a goal defferred finally achieved...a boy redeemed...makes you all teary I loved it when Fred MacMurray finally got his case in court and fought the attempt by the weaselly nephwe to get control of the Scout camp that the old lady had left to Bo

Now,now, no point in Scouters serving real units depleting the ranks further.... As for appropriate compensation......plot a normal curve for non-profit CEO compensation of a similar size. See where he falls - and I'll bet it's NOT in the lower half by any means. Based on continuous declines in membership under his leadership, he goes at -1 standard deviation on the curve. Keep in mind he's gotten some nice raises, despite falling membership. Does anyone think he deserves to be one of the HIGHEST paid non-profit CEOS's, does he even deserve "Average"? What's the consensus? And I

Is BSA about boys or money? I doubt that most Scouters see any direct benefit from $500,0000,000 sitting in National's coffers. Why is BSA still closing camps nationwide - over the objections of membership? As far as "tightening reporting" resulting in decreased numbers.... We WERE overstating before but now we're not? All the enrollment scandals seem to indicate otherwise. SE's are faking numbers because they CAN'T stem declines in membership. Or are we tightening things NOW? - after the media noticed? The point in raising the salary issue is simple. What is the philoso

While many have defended Roy Williams compensation package at around $450,000 this may not be quite accurate.o The Boy Scouts of America Foundation lists compensation a bit differently than the National COuncil 990's for 2003: Williams Salary 433,830 Auto 10,336 Excess Life Insurance Premiums 11,026 Contr. to Emp. benefits Plan 23,127 "Other Allowances deferred Under Non-Qualified Retirement Plan & Unearned Compensation (1) 434,874 TOTAL COMPENSATION per Form 990

"By the way the way falsifying membership figures is not in itself illegal as jkhny has claimed. It does not become illegal until they gain finances based on the false numbers" .....for whatever reason the quotes from Bob did not appear in my previous post. That was the first one. I find it hard to deal with the "logic" shown above. It scares me. My answer" The Mission of BSA is to teach youth to make ethical and moral decisions - paraphrasing, not having it in front of me. "It's not illegal so it is ethical and moral to falsify numbers." So it's OK to claim "Qu

Agreed but I'll bet those 7 were on Council rosters even if never seen again.... >>.....This past year I took Kevin with me in his BOy Scout uniform to the Cub Night at school. He took some of the things he had done, pictures of campouts and his badge swap collection. The DE was actually upset he was there. The boys that were there loved looking at Kevins things and kept asking him questions. After a little while the DE ask me to take Kevin home. Kevin and I left. The other Unit rep there said they signed up 2 boys and neither of those ever showed up at a meeting. >> A

About that whole "Trustworthty" thing - and "ethical and moral" decision making....Is Bob embarassed by anything in BSA? The logic quoted by Bob is the convoluted logic that the immoral and unethical use to justify their bad behavior. The fact that a SCOUT would seek to justify such bad behavior by noting it in s not "technically" illegal....... I'm dumbfounded. Even the Catholic Church learned that you cannot defend immoral and unethical (and criminal) behavior by claiming that you were serving a "higher good" or "protecting" a worthy organization. Claiming that the far gr

A report fom BSA Chicago regarding how the CAC Board relates to THEIR membership - you know the volunteers they are supposed to be REPRESENTING Stalism is making a comeback in Scouting.....Council leadership in Chicago is selling a camp over the objections of a MAJORITY of its volunteers, has TWO slates of candidates for new leadership voted down, and refuses to allow a competing slate to run. They are changing the rules and allow leadership to re-appoint themselves. ANd using an "Executive Committee" to act in place of the full Executive Board. Why follow corporate Bylaws? Chicago is

A SIMPLE ANALOGY BSA is a sinking cruise ship. Now this cruise line came highly recommended - your family has used them for generations. Your grandfather took a bunch of cruises with them when he was a kid. Your father learned to swim in the pool on board. Your parents brought you on a few cruises when you were a boy. The had great ships, best there are, the best Captains and crew. You remember all the activities and the great pool and the shuffleboard and the skeet shooting and great food... You even learned some nautical skills from the really nice crewmen. But this isn't q

Why is BSA so much more expensive to run? Where IS the money going? (it's not tents) And if you really looked at the annual reports, why is Boy Scout's report so "unclear" and "imprecise" with numbers - while Girl Scouts so VERY clear and detailed. Boy Scouts is OUR orgnization. We should be a bit interested in finances. And while it's having a ton of cash means little if you keep losing membership - and just why is Boy Scouts collecting 4X the fees Girl Scouts is?

What do you do? First: Make sure YOUR Council is doing the "right" thing. That means making sure that you as volunteers DO have a voice in Council management through the Executive Board. Make sure these people represent you and are not hand-picked by paid staff. Now most could care less about that level if things are working. But you need to pay attention. Second: Make sure your Council is ACCURATELY reporting "numbers" - enrollments, "Quality" status and all else. Odds are you don't really have a clue what's being claimed outside your own unit. If there's a kid still on your

Comparisons. Look at the difference in annual reports. Both are PR exercises but which provides clear and concise and detailed information? BSA Annual Report BSA claimed 3.2 million in Scouting in 2003 1.5 million more "Learning for Life" Is this included? or separate? http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc go to Facts and Figures and then go to annual report 2003 GSA Annual report GSA claimed 2.8 million in Scouting in 2003 http://www.girlscouts.org/who_we_are/facts/pdf/2003annual_report.pdf "Scouting" counts not all that different with BSA 10%

An article in the news discussing corporate performance brought up an interesting point. Publicly held corporations are accountable to their shareholders. Even those managed in a way that benefit their own executives instead of shareholders have to defend their actions. Dissidents can challenge management and force their ouster when performance falters. B.S.A. has been failing on a very pragmatic basis. That's a simple fact. Dispute the cause but numbers in Scouting programs continue to decline with no end in sight. Despite an unending focus on adding members, the num

I don't have an issue with a Scout getting a "Recruiter" patch if they bring in a new boy, I don't have an issue with programs to advertise Scouting to boys. However, I'm starting to feel that our Council is "over the line" in offering all kinds of "incentives" with a focus on boosting counts (without adding long term members) and the way in which they are reporting numbers. "All new Cub Scouts who submit applications and fees through theri 2006 re-charter by October 15..... will be issued a New Cob Scout kit." "Also any Cub Scout who is already enrolled in Scouting who pre-pay

Guess who was in charge of Jamboree "Risk Management" - one of our Council's Executive Board members. That's NOT something I would be highlighting right now. Below is a release I would NOT be sending out (but that's just me). The obliviousness to the many levels of irony is astounding. Of course NO mention is made of all the emergencies that NEEDED attention at the Jamboree in this release. Few believe this Jamboree's "Emergency Planning" reflected well on B.S.A.as highlighted in far too many press articles. After reading the statement below, one could be forgiven if thinking t

Interesting but the report below noted that Smith was "placed on leave" by BSA when the FBI informed BSA they were investigating him for distributing child porn (and as the report below noted - unlike many - the porn was quite graphic). I suppose "innocent until proven guilty" must have applied here. Yet St. Jean was fired when BSA received evidence he had stayed at a gay resort. Note that Wal-Mart revoked the retirement benefits package of former executive fired for theft and is suing him not only for for restitution of funds stolen but PAST bonuses. The suit cited a 2002 newspaper

While not commenting personally on or challenging BSA's policies on membership, the following news item caught my attention and raises the following questions in comparison with other events. Sovreign Smith, a long time paid professional, was allowed to retire with benefits - even after admitting guilt in distributing child pornography. And while claiming he was not involved personally in any abuse of children, as another pointed out, Each and Every piece of child pornography produced and in someone's possession resulted from the abuse of a child - hence the leagal penalties for mere poss