GNX Guy

As I recall from reading the 2010 Guidebook, it actually applies to two of the four adult leader positions within each contingent troop, as the 1st ASM requirements are the same as the Scoutmaster (as shown in my above post.)

Additionaly, Jamboree is not nor to my knowledge has ever been considered a high adventure activity. I was under the impression that High adventure is reserved for those 14 and older and are separated from support. Jamboree allows 12 year olds to attend and support is everywhere.

YES, it is a fact as shown on page 4 of the 2010 Council Jamboree Guide

Unit Leader Qualifications

Scoutmaster

Have served as a Scoutmaster for at least one year during

the three-year period prior to July 1, 2010.

Completed basic Scoutmaster training or Boy Scout Fast

Start and Scoutmaster and Assistant Scoutmaster Leader

Specific Training, No. 34879.

Completion of Wood Badge for the 21st Century.

Be able to serve as a role model of physical fitness. Have

participated in the prejamboree training experience.

Have filed a Jamboree Personal Health and Medical

Record, Class 3, No. 67-34412, before the prejamboree

training with the council jamboree committee.

Complete the 60-minute Youth Protection Training.

Be approved by the local council.

Although not required, Scouters Key is a desirable

qualification.

First Assistant Scoutmaster

(Same qualifications as Scoutmaster)

Second Assistant Scoutmaster

Be at least 21 years of age by July 1, 2010.

Complete the appropriate leader-specific training.

Have served actively in an adult troop leadership position

for at least one year during the three-year period prior to

July 1, 2010.

Have participated in the prejamboree training experience.

Have filed a Personal Health and Medical Record, Class 3,

No. 67-34412, before the prejamboree training with the

council jamboree committee.

Complete the 60-minute Youth Protection Training.

Be approved by the local council.

Be able to serve as a role model of physical fitness.

Third Assistant Scoutmaster

Be at least 18 years of age (but not yet 21) by

September 1, 2010.

Have served actively in a troop leadership position.

Complete the appropriate leader specific training.

Have participated in the prejamboree training experience.

Have filed a Personal Health and Medical Record, Class 3,

No. 67-34412, before the prejamboree training with the

council jamboree committee.

Complete the 60-minute Youth Protection training.

Be approved by the local council.

Be able to serve as a role model of physical fitness.

Boy Scout Qualifications

Scouts who participate in the 2010 jamboree are selected by

the more than 300 local councils. Each Scout must

Be at least a First Class Scout.

Have completed sixth grade or be at least 12 years of age

by July 1, 2010, and have not reached his 18th birthday by

August 3, 2010.

Participate in the prejamboree training experience.

Have filed a Personal Health and Medical Record Form,

Class 3, No. 67-34412, before the prejamboree training.

Have been active in a troop or team for at least six months

prior to July 1, 2010.

Be approved by his Scoutmaster or Varsity Scout Coach.

Be approved by the local council jamboree committee.

Youth and Adult Leader Applications

In order to be complete, each council must develop its own

Local Council Jamboree Information Sheet to insert in the

two-page forms. A sample is shown in the appendix on

page 29. The applications may be downloaded from

www.scouting.org/jamboree.

Youth and adult leaders must complete an online application.

It is accessed through www.scouting.org for non-BSA employees.

BSA employees will access it through www.myBSA.org.

Applicants will need to use their BSA ID number or their Social

Security number to access the application Web site.

The individual will be directed to print a confirmation and

send it to the council with a $100 deposit.

Councils will be provided instruction on accessing the registration

reports in a special announcement. The Web site will

be activated in May 2008.

Having walked the trails, I would not use hiking boots or hiking shoes, I would suggest you investigate backpacking boots, there is a difference.

You'll be glad you did.

Now that's what I like to hear.

No need to rush him through advancement, in fact he will have the opportunity to progress toward Eagle even after his 18th birthday.

Found a few more definitions of a vessel

A seaplane on the water.

A watercraft specifically designed to operate on a permanently fixed course and guided by a mechanical device that restricts the watercraft's movement to the fixed course.

A floating structure that is designed and built to be used as a stationary waterborne residential dwelling, which, (a) does not have and is not designed to have a mode of power of its own, (b) is dependent for utilities upon a continuous utility linkage to a source originating on shore, and © has a permanent, continuous hookup to a shoreside sewage system.

Yes, that was stated by one of the staff, however, I believe I stated "No way" then I believe Bob White quoted the text from the Sea Scout Manual on page 73 where it specifically says vessel or boat under council or ship authority. So sorry, a 7 day Alaskan cruise aboard a cruise ship does not count. I guess unless you went as a ship activity????

Sea Scouts wishing to qualify for the Long Cruise badge must 1st rreach the Ordinary rank. The long Cruise badge is then earned by participating in two weeks of cruising aboard any vessel or boat provided by the local council or by the Sea Scout under council or ship authoirty. Where a 2 week cruise is not possible, your Skipper may authorize a series of overnight cruises. An adult officer may earn it without qualifying for Ordinary.

Sea Scouts may use their own vessel when authorized by an adult officer from the Ship.

A vessel, is not a car, or a camper, or a pair of hiking boots.

Vessel may refer to:

a boat, ship or starship

liquid or food vessel, such as a pitcher, bowl, cup or bottle

other kinds of packaging containers

a tubular structure of vascular tissue in plants such as xylem and phloem

I guess you could float in a big soup bowl for 2 weeks and meet the requirements, but it might be more comfortable in a row boat.

I guess one would have to ask....how about a canoe trip and camping on the shore?? The rules do not specifically state you have to stay on board the vessel consecutive hours or that the vessel has to be untied from the slip and making way?

Just wondering if there are any sources out there for a nice Sea Scout Ball Cap other than the one found at the Ship's store.

Thank you

Thanks Argyle,

I'll check it out. How timely. This might come in handy for some up coming training.

One step ahead of ya Gold Winger. Had sent him an email and got his response right after I made the above post.

Does anyone out there have a good reliable source that has experience embroidering "Sea Scouts B S A" on a Sea Scout uniform shirt, per the instructions on page 115 of the Sea Scout manual?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you

SWScouter, I trust you have seen this:

The 2010 National Scout Jamboree will use an online application process for all Scouts, leaders, and jamboree staff applicants desiring to attend the jamboree. The registration process will be similar to the new National Annual Meeting registration Web site.

Interested youth, unit contingent leaders, and prospective staff members must complete an online application. It is accessed through www.Scouting.org for non-BSA employees. Applicants will need to use their BSA ID number to access the application Web site. The initial application fee is $10. This fee is nonrefundable and does apply to the registration fee. This will be reflected as a credit on your council statement once your finanal payment is received.

Scouts and individuals applying to be part of the council contingent will be directed to print a confirmation and send it to the council with a $100 deposit. The confirmation will state that their application must be accepted by their council and does not guarantee participation. Individuals seeking jamboree staff positions will pay their fees online by credit card to the National Council.

The Web sit will be activated in June 2008.

There could be a chance that if other youth sign up via the proper proceedure through nationsal before those that are unofficially, signed up, they could possibly loose their space.

Did your son complete this on line application?

SWScouter,

Not sure how you could have signed up, as National will not even begin to accept applications until June 2008. And then, they will only be accepted via the internet.

I think you might have just givin a deposit and are listed on an "I'm interested form" I think many councils jumped the gun prematurly in this regard.

Actually I began thinking about this a little more. I do not believe that a "Crossover" is manditory, it is a ceremony. Also some key words here are "earned the Arrow of light" Once the boys complete all the requirements and its singed off, its earned, just not awarded. Technically, my son could have joined Boy Scouts back in January, handed in his application the day after he turned 10.5, as he already completed all the AOL requirements. We just waited for the tradition crossover at the B&G.

T164,

In the time you wrote your 1st post here, you could have wrote the boy's names on the advancment report and handed it too the person behind the desk at the Scout shop. What's the big deal? It's policy in every council I'm aware of. Simply a way for them to keep track of things.

According to the Scoutmaster's handbook, this Scoutmaster conference should take place 1-2 months before they crossover. It also suggests that the crossover be conducted at the Blue & Gold. For new, non cubscouts that join the SM conference should be held as soon as possible after joining.

I might suggest reading pages 136 thru 139 in the Scoutmaster's handbook to clarify things for you.

Actually I should have been a bit more clear. The insignia guide states that it goes above the left pocket, no regulation or specifics about the tail position.

There is no regulation

Yea, they are called long underwear.

Well, your really not supposed to do the shopping as an adult. It should be the youth's choice with some guidance.

That guidance can come from your attending monthly roundtables, and district events. Meeting and KNOWING the leadership. The youth can visit troops during their meetings, camping trips and distric events. Are any of the leadership active in the district or council level. That could prove to be a good indicator sometimes. It takes 5 minutes at a troop meeting or other activity to detect if they are boy run or not.

My son knew a year in advance where he was going to cross over to and that just happened last month. If you don't know well in advance, I'm afraid you might be making a blind choice.

Bob White,

Yup, as you may recall, someone (gee, I wonder who that was) asked why the hell we got a 5 year old insurance policy.

Well, I did observe that there was no opening or closing flag ceremony, ie the pledge.

I suspect the goal of the long cruise plan was team building. What else could it have been. Heck, we have all planned trips before.

You have to admit, there were several topics that hinted at things covered in WB for the 21st, right?

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Bob White,

What did you think about the discussion of uniform / no uniform for Sea Scouts?

Then why as a participant, or where you on staff?, speak up and make it known how outdated things were and inquire as to why we were being taught out dated material?

Bob White,

Based on your knowledge of this particular class, were you present at this conference?

45 were in attendance, I believe I was told 48 had originally registered and the attendance increase was authorized by Charles Holmes.

You hit the nail on the head EMB021.

As a Venturing leader, I learned a lot about the Sea Scout Program and will positivly promote Sea Scouting any way I can.

It is another great opportunity for the youth within the BSA programs.

Bob White, it's evident that you have some sort of agenda that coinsides with mine of simply providing some usefull information to other scout leaders.

I'm here trying to promote Scouting, Seabadge and Sea Scouting in a positive way with my posts and your trying to drag them down. Not too good for Scouting and not very Scout like. I'm happy to have taken the class, met a great bunch of folks and would take it again. It was a great resource. I like to learn so I can give the youth the best possible experienace I can rather than give folks a hard time.

I recently took Wood Badge and our Course Director asked at the begining of the class and at the end. When you hear the words Wood Badge, what do you think of? I seem to remember the

Correct answer was "LEADERSHIP" Yes, there were topics presented during Seabadge that were similar to Wood Badge for the 21st century. Heck, that was even mentioned during the conference.

I did not list every single detail of what we covered in the Seabadge Conference, I wrote that we covered "Leave no Trace for water activites, discussed planning, team building, Marketing, recruiting, Leadership styles, and a few others. Read the last 4 words, "and a few others" Remember that listening is a leadership skill, I seem to remember that from both Wood Badge for the 21st and Seabadge. Maybe spend some time actually reading my posts rather trying to attack me. What the heck are you trying to prove? Heck, I thought earlier on that we had a good chance of maybe sharing some scouting experiences with you and your unit since we are right next door. I do not want to expose the youth I serve to this type of belittling treatment and I certainly hope you don't treat the youth in your units this way.

I think I'll spend my time working to improve Scouting for the youth rather than taking your approach of trying to bash my comments. Many of your comments in the way you present them may actually discourage leaders and participation in training.

Heading out to the Scout office now.