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"firstpusk: would you explain what is "lousy" about the editorial opinions in the Wall Street Journal?" I think if you read my remarks about context above, you have a pretty good example of what I am talking about. Clark has been around a long time and has a reputation for sarcasm. In context, I think that would come through loud and clear. This goes beyond bias and beyond professional ethics and honesty. You know into FOXnews territory. By the way eisely, I have to apologize for taking your troll hook,line and sinker. Your remark is a classic, "I submit that the success of Fox

The fiction of a liberal media persists. The media in the US is largely corporate and bows to those interests. If anything, our media is far to deferential to such interests. The remarks by Falwell were outrageous and intended to offend muslims. Beyond that, they were made on live national television on major network. Give me a break eisely. How many people saw 60 minutes compared to how many actually heard Clark's remarks at the press club. I often listen to the National Press Club but not many others I know do. On the other hand, if when I went to work on a Monday and asked if f

Bob White, Welcome home. Nicely put. It is indeed the duty of the chair to recruit. I think your take Eagle Foot's situation may very well be accurate. The chair is the one person to talk with in order to smooth things over. Confrontation is not the goal here, an effective program that delivers the promise in the district is the goal we should always seek.

Eagle Foot, I serve as my District's Volunteer Resource Chair. I act as kind of an information and recruiting clearing house for the key 3. I want to express my concern for how you have been slighted. Every volunteer deserves respect. You have agreed to carry out an important job and now feel slighted when you appear to be unceremoniously removed. I understand your frustration but I would not seek a confrontation. Remember why we volunteered in the first place for the boys. Unfortunately, we adults screw things up quite often. Talk with the other two members of the key 3, in

Native children were taken away from their communities and not allowed contact with home, to speak their native tongue or to practice their religion. Significant ceremonies were outlawed and religious practices obstructed by US government officials. Scalia has continued in that tradition on the court. Americans unaware of such practices or willfully ignorant like the "honorable" justice disgrace those that have sacrificed for those freedoms.

"Particulars of the case aside, I'm just glad to read that Justice Scalia hasn't already made up his mind on the case before hearing all the arguments." Close, actually Scalia makes up his mind BEFORE he hears the arguments.

"It seems like all of these people who talk about separating God from government has forgatten the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence." I think that is a pretty broad assumption about motivations. Our founders wanted the government to allow free exercise of religion and that is precisely why they wrote the it should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." They understood the danger of official religion. England had been torn apart by religious war only the century before. I thank God every day for their wisdom and I pray that someday Antonin Scali

"Um... has the BSA given up all public support, free use of lands and facilities, whatnot? I hadn't been aware of that. Was that announced at the website? Couldn't find it...?" IVF is receiving a share of dollars. In this instance it is different from the situation with the BSA. Maybe your council is getting money from the county, mine certainly isn't. "My point is there are other groups on college campuses that exclude certain people for various reasons & they are still allowed to exist and are still funded by the student paid activity fees." If they are getting student s

"Firstpusk before you get your liberal shots in. I am not a conservative or any other title you want to say let me say this I believe that any group has the right to establish their own standards of leadership like the Scouts do." For someone who claims to take offense at being labled, you sure are fast to apply them to someone else. Didn't call you a conservative. The issue in the Dale vs. BSA was different. The Supreme Court found in favor of the BSA because it was a private organization. Here we have a group asking for public support that wants to exclude. IVF is asking for suppor

"Firstpusk, I think you are missing the point of the post yourself. If colleges and universsities are allowed to dictate a diversity policy to the students and to the groups that are on campus it does violate the Constuition and is therefore illegal." I understood the claim from the start. The problem for the IVF is simple, they discriminate on the basis of religion. These organizations and leadership opportunities should be available to all students. They aren't. These institutions are not allowed to support these organizations. "Also, many Christians have tried to stop the enfo

"What about groups that exclude men? Or those that exclude women? What's the difference?" Ed, What's your point?

Twocubdad, As a former university internal auditor, you are hitting the nail on the head. All students are required to pay the fee and as a result, the organizations looking for support must be open to all students. There are plenty of clubs and organizations that are not recognized and do not receive funds that still are reaching students. I think this talk and the assumptions of many that this is a conspiracy against Christianity are overblown. These assumptions are more than a bit un-Christian, in that they assume motivations that are not supported by the author of the article or th

"Coming back to the question in the original post, banning these Christian groups from campus and treating them differently from other groups that discriminate on campus is rank discrimination. Tax monies are not at issue here since the funds involved come from pools of student activity fees. My thought behind posting the original thread was to illustrate the kind of discrimination against believers that is going on. These are people who are being discriminated against on the basis of their harmless beliefs, just as scouting is being discriminated against." eisely, I read the article an

"I disagree. This logic could also be applied to Gov. supplied Clergy in the military. I looked foward to Friday night service at boot camp when I was in the Navy. I could not leave the base." No, it actually can't. You were not required to attend service. It was your choice. The military does not require chaplains to be of any particular religion. "When I was in collage many students did not have transportation so you only had what was on site. The money to the religous groups was no more or less then any other group. Also the money came from student fees not the state."

I saw quite a bit of it. My wife was interested in watching. They went home before winter. We each commented early on that they seemed more concerned about what they were missing (modern conveniences rich food, etc.) than cutting wood. The analysis at the end by experts agreed with our assessment. They were not too likely to be able to survive the winter.

Rooster7, The same people that were upset about Clinton and his record with respect to ROTC take a pass on Bush. Your opinion about Clinton is well known on this board. Let me suggest that he has been much more forthcoming about his situation with regard to serving in the military than your man Bush. For that matter, his claim of not inhaling has been considerably more honest than Bush's beating around about his drug use.

Talk to the boys you have. Let them tell you what they like about scouts. Get them dreaming about things they would like to do. Make it a boy run program that seeks challenging, exciting activities. Encourage the boys and they are the programs best salesmen. I have never seen a troop die because they ran good program that was geared to what the boys want. The others ideas are great. Den chief is the best position to develop leadership in scouting. Working with your commissioner staff and the packs is certainly key. Just make sure that you have something tangible to offer a boy com

"and what led you to the conclusion there was a something in the middle?" Probably the scientific evidence...

"Here's the crux of this argument - a profound point of contention that many seem to be ignoring: Science = Truth Faith = Truth Therefore when science and faith disagree, only one can be right. There can only be one truth. Consequently, the theory of evolution (when taught in the public schools) is tantamount to the government declaring the faiths of some to be false." Rooster7, No one has ignored your point of contention. It is well understood that you and others want to claim that belief in God and evolution are mutually exclusive. The fact that there are a number

"Quantum Physics time, space, and matter came into existence at the same time" This establishes creationism, how? The Bible says something about the big bang billions of years ago? And what about that multi-billion year time lag between then and the appearance of life. "Genetics recombination of genes occurs producing variables within the same species dna is actually extremely lengthy codes placed within each cell humans originated from one group of ancestors with a common female ancestor" And what does this prove? You need to establish that c

Nice try Weekender. That argument doesn't turn back, evolution is not a religious tennet of my church, it is science. Evolution is not preached in my church. Teaching evolution is not an issue for most people of faith. It goes to the issue of intent. The intent of the school is to teach science and evolution is the best science we have currently. You may personally disagree with it, but that is as it is. The 1st ammendment was crafted to keep the state out of the church and the church out of the state. The founders had a more vivid understanding of religious wars than we do.

"littlebille, firstpusk, sctmom - What you seem to be ignoring - IS - evolution is a theory." Rooster7, What you are ignoring is that creationism is not a theory. It is a set of religious tennets that is not supported by any scientific evidence. It is an article of faith not a scientific explanation. "This makes all the difference in the world. It is not fact. It's a conclusion based on fact, but those facts do not prove evolution conclusively." Many of these theoretical conclusions are about as solidly established as is possible. Darwin proposed descent with modific

"Let me try to restate my point for you in a simple way using simple words: Some church teaches that God created the Earth and everything else in six days of twenty four hours, and if you don't believe it, you're going to hell. The public school teaches that man evolved over millions of years. These teachings conflict. The public school is teaching something that contradicts what that church is teaching. Can you agree that what the school teaches contradicts what the church teaches?" Okay, according to your reasoning, we need to shut down publicly funded medical schools because they confl

"firstpusk and littlebillie, I would suggest that you improve your reading comprehension skills." RobK "Nor did I say that evolution is "de facto religion"... RobK "I am amazed at your inablity to see that evolution, while not a teaching of any religion, because it directly contradicts the teachings of certain religions, is de facto a religous teaching." RobK I really enjoy your sense of humor. Are you trying to make creationists look silly, kind of an Andy Kaufman thing?(This message has been edited by firstpusk)

Thank you. It took nearly two months, but you finally admit that there is no viable scientific alternative to evolution. You might laugh out loud, but posting quotes without ensuring they represent the original source is unethical. The last time you did this, you posted six quotes. Only one had the correct source information. Your track record is not exactly sterling.