epalmer84

BTW: You can stay in as a youth until your 22nd birthday or your crew re-charters, whichever comes first. (source: Youth Application)

Therefore; on your 21st birthday, you have the option of remaining in the crew as a youth or re-registering as an adult.

Ed

"The roles of volunteer adult leaders in the Venturing program require that clear boundaries be established between adult leaders and youth members. For this reason, fraternization the formation of peer-based, social relationships between adult and youth members is not permitted. This prohibition extends to Venturing crewmembers who register as adults after their twenty-first birthday."

http://www.scouting.org/pubs/ypt/pdf/25-026.pdf

The Advisors have taken the Youth Protection Training, right?

There is some more information specific to married couples at:

http://netcommish.com/AskAndy39.asp

Ed

You also need to consider the trademark royalties. The BSA has elected to enforce this more closely recently. Your supplier must go through council and become an authorized supplier.

Our troop has been looking at neckerchiefs. We are considering the old-style 32" version. All of those uses for the neckerchief (first aid, etc.) were written up for the larger version and will not work with the current fashion.

* http://www.inquiry.net/uniforms/neckerchief/how_to.htm

Ed

Don't forget your other resources: the pack trainer and the unit commissioner.

Ed

We call it Eagle Scout Mentor. The mentor pin was introduced in 2004 as part of the presentation kit, so it is at least a semi-official postion.

As each Scout earns Life, we give them an Eagle packet with the application, workbook and the district guidelines. When the Scout decides on a project, an assistant Scoutmaster is assigned as a mentor. We don't assign a mentor before then, as it is up to the Scout to make that step. Any member of the committee or the Scoutmaster corps will advise the Scout before this point.

The Scout must do all of the leadership and planning. The mentor is an adviser- we keep the Scout within the guidelines for the paperwork, the Guide to Safe Scouting, money earning project and other policies.

The mentor also does a Scoutmaster's conference when the Scout starts his project to ensure that all of the other requirements are done. There seems to be a tendency to let Family Life merit badge slide until the last, and it takes a minimum of 90 days to complete.

Ed

No, the BSA does not have any "fraternal" groups for adults. I'm pretty sure the GSUSA has nothing like this as well.

Ed

IF I understand this, your Scouters and Guider's Club is an association of college age students?

In the US, we have two recognized Scouting organizations: the Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts of the USA. There are a number of other Scouting or Scout-like groups in the US. The BSA and the GSUSA do not generally interact very much.

The BSA used to have a College Scouter Reserve, but that program disappeared long ago. There is the Alpha Phi Omega college fraternity which originated as a Scouting association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Phi_Omega

The BSA really does not have any programs for college level youth above age 21.

BTW: There are some groups of the ZHP here in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwi%C4%85zek_Harcerstwa_Polskiego

(now listening to: Klaus Schulze: Poznan 2003)

And here is some history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness_Grace

Ed

As noted, the only time limit is when the Scout ages out at 18. Our policy is to provide a gentle reminder for 6 months after submitting any partials, then it is entirely up to the Scout and the counselor. After summer camp, we go through the mess of partials and do up a list of Scouts and the needed requirements. This gets posted on the board through December.

Ed

My comments are so good you need to read them twice!

:-)

Most of those sound like variants of "The Ballad of the Green Berets" by Robin Moore and Barry Sadler.

http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis/USA/beret.html

Nope- not a double click problem. It happens from my work PC, my home desktop and my home laptop- all running XP.

If you look at the numer of replies to this topic, you will note that my posts only count once.

Ed

Actually, if you check the replies each double post is only counting once.

Yes- the fit is more important than price or anything else.

Since your daughter is unlikely to wear anything like the 13W boats I put on my feet, here is a review of some womens shoes:

http://outside.away.com/outside/gear/buyers-guide-2006/indexes/women.html

She is going to love the Alps. I spent some time at Kanderstag in the 80s and had a blast. I even went through OA Ordeal there- that was an experience.

Ed

I have no clue why I am double posting. It happenns with Internet Explore 7 and Firefox 1.5. If I edit one of the double posts, the other gets edited as well.

I would appreciate any advice.

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"Through the end of 2005, 1,835,410 young men had been awarded the Eagle Scout Award"

http://www.marketing.scouting.org/resources/factsheets/02-179.html

"in 1982, 13-year-old Alexander Holsinger, of Normal, Ill., was recognized as the one millionth Eagle Scout."

http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0211/d-wwas.html

Interesting. This means that the first million Eagles were awarded in the first 72 years. .8 million Eagles were then awarded in the next 23 years. Extrapolating, the second million Eagles will have been awarded in just under 29 years, or under a third of the time it took to make the first million.

Ed

Unlike a lot of other lists of Eagle Scouts, everyone on this list has been verified:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_Eagle_Scouts_%28Boy_Scouts_of_America%29

Neil Armstrong was one of my heroes when I was young, and I never knew he was an Eagle Scout.

Ed

I can't recall seeing a flag retirement at a campfire before 9/11. Since, I have seen several each year. Most have involved some long piece of poetry and/or cutting the flag into strips. These are solemn, dignified and *long*.

In reality, a thirty minute ceremony quickly becomes undignified because everyone starts squirming while attempting to stand at attention. I'm one of the worst due to foot injuries sustained while in the service.

Back in the spring, I was the scribe at Wood Badge. One of the patrol leaders came to me- his troop guide told him that the scribe would have the "official ceremony" for a flag retirement. I politely informed him that there was no such thing. I also expressed my opinions on the subject and told him to make up his own ceremony.

It was great. It lasted about 10 minutes. They asked everyone to stand and then said the Pledge of Allegiance. They then asked every Army veteran to come up and form a line, then they placed one flag on each of the two fires. They then did this for the Navy, Marines and Coast Guard.

Ed

I suspect that the use of the fleur-de-lis in conjunction with the Youthscouts name triggered this.

I've seen the fleur-de-lis in many ornamental works, especially metalwork.

Interesting. I did a search on the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System:

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pnam=Boy%20Scouts%20of%20America%20%20

There are four pages of complaints. There is even one for Scouting/USA- the logo used during the infamous Improved Scouting Program of the 70s.

Ed

Don't forget the commissioners! Your unit commissioner should be on the unit org chart (usually with a dashed line) as your link to the district.

Amen.

As I understand it these were worn on the shirt or coat collar.

Here is some history:

http://www.sageventure.com/history/SM/index.htm

Ed

As it has been noted before, in 1998 career-oriented Exploring was moved to Learning for Life, thus it no longer counts as BSA membership.

Then we add in the membership fraud issues in some councils and the resulting corrections. Add in the new member audit program and you get more corrections as duplicate and inactive memberships are cleaned up.

I have no clue how much of a difference these two issues have made in total numbers.

But the most important numbers are the numbers of youth in my troop and crew and our associated pack. These are the numbers that I can influence as a unit leader. The number 84 is very important, because that is the number on my sleeve.

Ed