Eagle_23

I think the biggest argument coming from national is that the Boy Scout Division is from 11 through 18, while the Venturing Division is 14 through 21. While this would be a good enough reason to drop the issue, The OA allows members to be youth until 21. doesn't make a lot of sense to not allow venturing into the OA when they age out at the same age. specially when by the time the venturing meets the requirements ( whatever they may be) they could easily be 16 or 17 years old. Another big argument is that youth protection dosnt cover females in the OA, But I am pretty sure that there is a

As a CBM Camp staff alumni. I have been givin the oppertunity to see some of the inner politics being kept from the public. 1) First and formost, what is happening is less of matter of finacial stability, and more of an issue of inner politics. Our current council president has been quietly working to get the camp to this point since he took office. By systimaticly guiding the executive board to different dicisions to hurt the camp numbers. Over the last few months he has been quietly lobbying for the Council Board to make the desicion to close. 2) The Friends of Black Mountain, the

I voulenteer at Camp Black Mountain in the pacific northwest. There was talk to shutting down and selling the camp, but sainer minds prevailed and the council decided to look into other ways to unitlize the property. If supporters of the camp meet certain requierments, the council will even let us have summer camp for the 2013 year. Voulenteers of the camp formed a booster club, adamant on keeping the camp open. Who has ever been to CBM? I am sure there people here who live in the area who have been to the camp at one point or another. What did you like, what would you change?

The last thread brought up a pretty heated discussion about the use of native american modeling in their ceremonies. I know it wasnt always like that. I have heard that before that, there was the use of black robes as ceremonial regalia. There isnt much about that out there that I have found. If anyone has any information on what went into making that regalia and what that regalia consisted of i would love to hear about it. But the big question of this thread is this: Does the Order of the Arrow need to find some new form of regalia in our ceremonies, anf if so, what would you recomend.

I was thinking today about the ceremonies in the OA. Beyond the Induction sequence there are other ceremonies used. I'm wondering if anyone has seen ceremonies used for anything outside of the norm. Not nesessarily inappropriate uses, just outside the norm?

I work at a summer camp with a lot to offer. It has plenty of area with a lot of potential. Good facilitys. It always has a good staff. plenty of space to offer a variaty of merit badges. as well as a number of other programs, including cope and mountain biking. the staff that works the camp, is highly motivated and very skilled. It is in a location with a lot to offer in the direction of high adventure as well, being next to rivers to rafting. in the mountains for some great hiking. close to the water for boating. It dosnt have a high adventure program, but the potental is there.

KC9DDI: The ASM spoke to the Chapter Advisor. Turns out the CA has first hand knowlege of this scout being a bully. to in short everything worked out and the election is valid.

I was doing an OA unit election this evening and everything went well till i got a call on thw way honme from an ASM (not the SM or the parent) asking about the results. after sharing that the election was solid he told me of his concerns about that a scout wasnt elected. he called is "heart breaking" that the scout has been passed over multipule times. He then asked if there was somthing we could do to change the election, weather it was do another election or somthing else. I'm at a loss. i know how this is going to be handeled and thsi isnt a thread about OA or OA elections. What reall

I dissagree. We are contributing our time and skills/recources to the program to benifet the scouts. There might not be a tangible result but it is there. What would the value of the contribution of time and everything be?

After reading some of the responses to the thread this is spun from, lets ask this question. Not counting money given in FOS, not counting items purchased for events not reimbursed by the unit or council or somthing. What is a value of the time givin by voulenteers. If one was able to put a price tag on their services. What would that amount be?

A couple friends and I are thinking about getting tatoos (well one just got one, but still) Basicly we all met at the scout camp we work at. And all three of us just about live and work there, so we are thinking about all getting the camp logo.

Awesome, thanks, that is exactly what i'm looking for. is there any information anywhere about what lodge's they belonged to?

I am looking for some help on a project i'm working on, I am looking for information on the history aroung the OA national chiefs, like when the first one was stuff like that. If there is a place on the internet that has a list of all the national chief and the lodges they belonged to it would be awesome. also if they have information on when lodges started making patches for lodge chiefs. any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance

Be prepared, because things are going to change. BDPT00 is right, the best thing to do is to make a new lodge with totally new symbols. Definetly have the youth lead the discussions. Lay out each lodge's customs and program at the beginning and maybe they can keep somthing from each. The lodge i'm in is the result of a merger between two lodges about 15 years ago (admittedly around the time i joined cub scouts, but i have heard alot of horror stories about it) . there were alot of hurt feelings going into the merger anyways but there were alot more after. alot of the oa presence in what w

Seems to me that if a venture decided it wanted elections, it would be up to the crew to make themselvs elgible for them. The example i'm going to use is the hs band crews. Say out there, there is a crew based around a high school marching band (i do hope i'm interpreting that right). Obviosly thats what they do, out doors isnt really part of their program. why would it, their focus is music and marching. but say you have a venturer or two who decides they want to be in the OA. Its up to them to find the requierments and change their program. In this case they would have to sell the crew

What are some skills you would like the scouts in your troops to learn. Beyond scout craft. For me it would be some minor skills like sewing, ironing cloths. Little things that would be good for them to learn or skills they would have to learn eventually.

Lately there has been alot of topics made about, greivnces with the order, problems with arrowmen and the like. I think it is clear to everyone that the order is but a shadow of its former self. Membership is declining, it seems like the integrity of the order as a whole is in a free fall. not just here or there either, but all over the country. So the question is, what needs to happen to make the Order of the Arrow more than just a patch on the uniform and a sash that is only worn once or twice. What needs to happen. From the very top of the national level, down to the individual chapte

Hey everyone. I am thinking about makeing a proposal to my troops COR abotu chartering a venturing crew. But I know the question that is going to be asked. " What can the venturing crew do that the troop cant?" My question is if I were wanting to make a venture crew based around the outdoors, what would the venture crew be able to do that the troop does not. the troop does alot of hikeing and does and ocasional river rafting trip. Thanks all, Eagle_23

I was talking with someone who has a pair os the polyester scout pants. The ones with no extra pockets meant for professinals. he was saying that you cant wear the current style web belt with those pants. but they dont sell any of the olderstyle with the gold buckle that would fit the belt loops. Is it true that the new web belts dont fit those pants. and if not what are the alternetives?

So I was thinking tonight about the different age limits that BSA has for the different ends of its program. Boy Scouts: 18 Venturing/OA: 21 etc. My question is how do the different age limits effect the ideas and roles of the scouts nearing or inbetween those limits? In my own example i'm 20, I'm an ASM with my troop, but i am also my districts chapter chief. And sometime it feels to me like i am still relating to the youth as though i am still a scout, even though i aged out 3 years ago. has any one seen this issue or have an idea about it.

In the wake of a couple impending Broken Arrow Ceremonies, it got me thinking about the way they are done and how the ceremonies are set up. When and where do other lodges hold Broken Arrow ceremonies and what type of regalia do other lodges use?

Well i am not currently nor was i ever involved in the sea scouts. i thought about it for a while but never actually did it. but i am thinking about starting up a ship in a couple of years and am just trying to get some background information.

Now i have a somewhat related question. what do we do about uniform recognition. ventures can sinply wear lodge flaps. but what about sea scouts with their dress uniforms. that cant wear lodge flaps or sashes with them. what would we do as uniform peices for them?

There isnt alot of information about this on the net. and the Sea Scout Website dosnt really provide much information. but what is the standard uniform for sea scouts in sea scout ships. any information would be appreceated. also if anyone has any links. it would be more than helpful. thanks alot.

with cub scouts it would be about maturity. there are some rather "complicated" values based around the OA, like the meaning of the admonition and the meanting of the obligation and such. A Cub Scout just would not be able understand the true meaning of the Ordeal ceremonies or other "values" of the order.