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  1. Well on Sunday I finished Woodbadge and now I just have to complete my ticket. The training was way better than anyone ever told me. This was the first time that my council has ever used all 8 patrols. They have never used the buffalos and the antelopes. I was lucky enough to be put into the buffalo patrol and I am so proud. I wish that I would have taken this training before now.

  2. I am an Eagle Scout that has been through a lot of training and is about to go through Woodbadge in about 4 months, but I do have to agree with the situation. There are Eagle Scouts that are out there that feel that they are more superior to others because they are Eagle Scouts. To me getting my Eagle Scout was an accomplishment. It shows that I have dedication and that I have proven my self as a leader when I was a boy, but now that I am an adult it is a way to get the boys to continue on The road to get their Eagle Scout. It doesn't mean that I know more about how to be an adult leader, because being an adult leader and being a youth leader are two totally different things. Getting training is one of the most important parts of being and adult leader, because if you don't you will never know what your actually role is suppose to be in the unit.

     

    But this just doesn't go for Eagle Scouts that are coming back to be adult leaders. It also effects some parents that think they know it all about Scouting and they refuse to get any training. I am not say that it effects most parents, because most parents want to know what they have gotten themselves into and how to do this effectively. They think that they know what is best for the unit that they are in and that anyone that has been around and through training doesn't know what is right.

  3. If we as leaders don't live up to the Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan then how can we expect the youth that we are working with and trying to enstill these values into, to follow them and live by them. I grew up in the program and I have always tried to live by these values, but sometimes we as people do slip. When we do slip we have to step back and re-evaluate the reason's that we slipped. So we need to take that comment that was made and thing of it as a grain of salt and throw it away and forget about the comment. Becuase we all tend to get too critical when someone says something that we don't like or agree with.

     

    Aristotle said,"it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

  4. Just like ScoutNut said the first thing to do is to contact your COR, but you also need to contact atleast one more person. That other person would be your Unit Commissioner. Whoever your UC is should let the District Executive and Commissioner know what is going on so that they have a heads up. Your UC should be able to get you a disscription of what the position entails and whoever becomes the Committee chair can get almost all of there training at http://olc.scouting.org this site has a lot of good adult leader training. Maybe even one of your current leaders would be willing to step up into the position of Committee Chair.

  5. This is a hard question to answer, because no one knows what national will be planning for the 2010 National Jamboree. Even if they don't plan anything for Cub Scouts they can still visit and see what is going on. It will probably be about one year before we start hearing anything about the program that they are starting to prepare.

  6. There are many different ways that you can volunteer in scouting. You can volunteer as a unit commisioner or a district committee member on the district level. On the unit level you can volunteer as a committee member for a cub scout pack, boy scout troop, or a venture crew. They are all well worthy opportunities and people are always needed in these position. A unit commissioner does seem to take up a little bit more time than the rest on the positions that I mentioned especially since national released the new centential unit award. If you want to work a little bit closer to youth then I would recommend being on a unit committee, but if you don't mind not working too close to youth then talk to the DE about being a district committee member. Good luck with the search and we are glad that you are coming back to work with the scouting program.

  7. There is nothing wrong with a boy or boys sleeping in the same tent as there parents, as long as they are his children. It would be nice for the father to let the boys grow up and become independent, and let them enjoy scouting without him telling them what to do. I f the scoutmaster was okay with the situation then you just need to just let it go or you can talk with the committee chair and see how they feel about the situation. Just take it like it was a grain of salt.

  8. Another idea is that you could talk to your OA Lodge and see if they are willing to do a OA Webelos Crossover ceremony for you. It is something different that your boys will remember for a long time.

  9. In each and everyone of the more recent posts I have read that everyone would just rather worry about there boys and there own units. Well to me that is a selfish attitude. We as adult leaders need to take a more serious attitude when it comes down to reach out to youth. I always here people on here refer to Scouting and how Scouting Teaches Timeless Values. I grew up in the scouting program and I know all of this. I am an Eagle Scout. I look at how much our nation is changing everyday and what our youth are getting more and more into and it isn't good. The Youth of today need our help. Adults in this talk about how they are reaching out to the youth in there units, but the unit doesn't belong to the adults it belongs to the youth (but if you want to get real technical it belongs to the chartering organization, but that doesn't matter). What does matter is that we are there reaching out to the youth that we are working with. Our council just went through a New Unit Blitz training from the national. There was information to give to chartering churches about how scouting can be used as a ministry. so if you look at it that way scouting is a ministry and we are their to reach out to the youth that are not already in our units so that we can see our units grow even more.

  10. DugNevius

    Thank you for your interest. One of the big ways is to get your boys out into the eye of the public so that people can see scouts in action. We do not need to keep to ourselves. We try to teach our boys many different ways tobe active in service and to me what better service can you do than reach out to those that need to be reached out too. We need to find ways to get these boys active in scouting or other organizations just like scout, so that we get them off the streets and give them better influences.

     

    jblake47

    I am disapppointed to hear a fellow scout leader talk like you were talking in your reply. The reason I say that is because in scouting, especially boy scouts we have the scout oath and law, and we as adults should also be living by the scout oath and law. Remember what they say:

     

    Scout Oath Scout Law

    On my honor I will do my BEST A Scout is: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,

    to do my Duty to GOD and my Country Friendly, Courteous, Kind,

    TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,

    To keep myself physically strong, Brave, Clean, and Reverent

    mentially awake, and morally straight.

     

    I hope that this reminds you that part of Scout is to help other people at all times. Please keep this in mind and think about what I have said in my original post.

     

    Yours in Scouting,

    eagle97_78

     

  11. We as scout leaders take on a wide range of leadership roles, but one role we don't take on is the role of person reaching out into our community. I know we all spend a lot of time with the youth that we are mentoring in our units, but what about trying to reach those youth that are not involved in our units. In our district we only reach about 1/17 of the youth. What happens to the rest of those youth. Well some of them end up alright but then someof those youth end up drug addicts, gang members, or even just in trouble.

     

    We always say that as scout leaders we are here to help the youth that we lead, but why don't we use our units as a way to reach out to these youth that are getting caught up in these incidents. We need to truly make a difference. Do you want to be remembered as a great scout leader or would you rather be remembered as a great scout leader that helped bring kids off the streets and into a worthy cause.

     

    I know for myself I want to be know as a scout leader that affected the lives of the youth that I work with, but I want to also affect the youth that are not involved.

  12. I am my districts Webelos to Scout Transition Chairman. Our Process usually starts in August getting everything together. In October we get out Webelos information to our Troops and Packs. Then in November we do a Webelos to Scout training at our monthly roundtable. In March we do weekend event with our troops and all of our webelos. The troops signup to host different events and the webelos go around to each event with 2 boys scouts from the troop that they are spending the weekend with. This event gives the webelos an opportunity to get hands on with different scouting skills and time to meet more boy scout troops. After this event almost every one of our packs do there crossovers. We do find that this does work with our webelos to scout transition.

  13. I am the Webelos to Scout Transition chairman for my district and I realize that people don't understand when to start the transition process. If you look at the Webelos handbook you will realize the transition starts the moment that the boy becomes a Webelos. First remember what Webelos means "We'll Be Loyal Scouts".

     

    Now we go to why I say that the transition process starts immendiately when the boy becomes a Webelos. They can start by changing there uniform from the Cub Scout uniform to the Boy Scout uniform. Next they can start using the Boy Scout sign instaed of the Cub Scout sign. Then each den can choose a patrol name istead of going by a den number. Webelos can also go camping without the rest of the pack and all the parents of the boys being there. Finally, we need to start treating these boys with a little bit more responsibility since they are getting closer crossing over.

     

    About the crossover process the boys can start visiting troops. They can also go camping with the troops so that they get some of there camping requirements done and start getting acquanted with some of the Boy Scout units. Don't hold the boys back. Now when it comes down to the crossover a lot of units do there crossover at the same time as there arrow of light ceremony. My suggestion is to do both at different Pack meetings. Try doing the arrow of light ceremony with the Blue and Gold banquet and then within the next few months between March and May do your crossover cermony. The reason that you might want to do the crossover early is so that the boys can get acquated with the troop that they croosover to and get a few camping trips under there belts before they go to Boy Scout camp.

  14. I see where everyone is coming from. I grew up in the program and have been an assistant scoutmaster and now I am a district committee member. I know while growing up in the program I saw a lot of boys that were there because there parents made them be there and they told them that they were going to get there Eagle. I love to see people get there Eagle but why force someone to get it when they don't want to be there. It isn't the parents job in scouting to force there child to get there Eagle it is their job to be a encourager. That is what all adults in the Boy Scout program are suppose to be doing,but do we always do what we are suppose to do"NO". We do need to strive to be the best that we can be. We are leaders and we are suppose to be setting the example for the boys and ho do we set exaples when they see leaders like this mother screaming in the faces of other parents and leaders telling them that they should do what she did with her son to there son's. It doesn't look good on us when the boys see this going on.

  15. I work on the district committee in my district and one of the parents on the district told her son that he had no chance about whether or not he wanted to get his Eagle. She told him either he gets it or he won't be able to date or get his driver's license (or as we refer to them as Fumes Disease). The big problem is I talked with my district executive about the situation because we had a meeting with the parents of the upcoming Webelos about crossing over and the mother showed up and talked and went off in the face of one of the parents like it was her son and she was telling him he either got his Eagle Scout or else and my district executive said that it is they she did it with her son's. I don't believe that you can make a child get his Eagle Scout. I believe the child has to want it themselves or they are just doing it for there parents. I hate to say it but I have seen boys that don't want to be there and their parents make them so they tend to act out during there time in scouts. What should I do about this since my district executive agrees with the mother??

  16. I have been reading the advice that everyone has given you. I work on the District Committee for my District. The District Committee cannot step in unitil asked by the CO. One person that you should have went to first on the District level was the Unit Commissioner, he is their to make sure that the troop is running properly and if it isn't he tells the unit what they need to work on changing.

     

    As for the 20+ year scoutmaster. We have found that most of these Scoutmasters haven't been through any of the new trainings and they truly need to go. The new leadership training tells us that the scoutmaster is there as an adviser. He is there to make sure everybody is having fun and being safe, most of all he is there to make sure that program is running properly. He doesn't step in if the PLC is handling the problem he is there to advise the PLC how to handle the problem and if and only if they say that they cannot handle the problem then he steps in. The troop is boy run, the boys make all the decisions and then the committe must approve the boys decisions they have the final say. The Scoutmaster really has no power to do anything without the approval of the committee.

     

    I do believe that the CO head should be brought in on this situation to make the final decision. They have all power and have the final say of what to do. They can ask the district committee for help and then the district can come in and help out, but only then can the help. I hope that things work out and keep on Scouting.

  17. Here is where I come in. In my District I deal with Webelos to Scout crossover. this is an important part of a boy's time in Cub Scouts, your son needs to find a troop that will fit his personality, where he will just blend in. I know that maybe hard, but if these two troops just still don't feel right to him, then you must visit more that one or two troops. I have had packs visit up to 5 troops and the fifth troop was the one that they went with. You need to ask your son what do you want in a troop so that you know what he is looking for. You as a parent need to ask questions of the adult leadership to see what kind of answers you get and if you like the troop. You also need to like the troop if you are planning on helping out as an adult leader. Keep up the faith and Happy Scouting.

  18. I know from experience that summer camp can be a great time, yeah the boys are there to learn and earn merit badges, but they also get to meet new people from other units. I believe that camp should also be fun. You as an adult can take away as much as a boy can fromcamp. I recomend that you give the boys a chance to have some down time. Let the PLC choose what they want to do with that down time. A properly run troop is run by the boy leadership not the adults, let them take some of there down time and decide what camp stuff they want to do extra that is fun (if the camp does stuff like this) like polar bear swim or evening swim, if they do a camp wide games do them, help and encourage the boys. Scouting is suppose to be fun and they learn while they are doing there activities. Keep up the good work and Happy Scouting.

  19. As everyone has said scouting is a boy led program. The SM and ASMs' are only there to adviser and when needed they are to step in and help out with problems. The new SM & ASM fundementals training tells you this. If you need help you just need to turn to your leader training if you haven;t been then you might want to go and get trained it does seen to help a lot when you can turn back and refer to your training material,

  20. I don't know if anyone has looked at the OA websit at the LLD training program and seen the Allowat meets Akela training section. I am truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. I work on my District Committee and I am a Lodge Committee Advisor. I support all programs of scouting all the time, but we are seeming to have problems what comes first OA events or council/district events. The material for OA says that they lodge supports the council and the chapter supports the district, and the boys go back and support there units. Well the big problem is that certain members of our lodge say that the lodge events are more important, but the only reach about 50-100 people each time. The council/district events reach anywhere from 50 to 800 people(I know that is a big margin, but it is true depending on the event). The new LLD progran say that OA is to support Cub Scouting by staffing events, promoting Cub Scout camping, and etc etc etc.Our lodge feels that they don't need to do really anything for Cub Scouting. I need some suggestions on what to do . Please help.

  21. In the OA since I got voted in a lot of stuff has changed. There is no age at which the boy can become a member, but you have to reach a certian number of campouts and one has to be a week of summer camp, you have to be the rank of 1st class or above, and you should best exemplify the scout oath and law. you can also vote every person that is eligible in even if the boy gets one vote, but you do have to have a minimum of 3/4 of ther troop there in order to vote and it has to be done by an OA CP/UE(camp promotions and unit elections) team that is made up from boys outside of your unit.

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