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  • 'Under the auspices of BSA'

    What is the definition of this phrase? National doesn't seem to have one. Is it only BSA sponsored events? Only troop events? Only patrol events? Individual scout achievements working towards a goal with a Scoutmaster's approval?

  • #2
    As far as I'm concerned it would be pack (if you were a den chief or when you were a cub if it's a cub award), troop, crew, ship, team, post, any unit function. Any district event, any council event or council sponsored event, national jamboree, OA. In certain circumstances, perhaps something with family, church, community etc with Scoutmaster's approval but shouldn't be the default that anything goes. So like a community bike ride with a LOT of scout presence, advertised at the troop mtgs, then if SM is ok with it, I'm ok with it.

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    • #3
      Individual achievement working towards a goal with a Scout Master approval?

      I am going to say no out of the blocks.......But a lad with a very compelling argument or reason why might sway my decision....As SM I would turn it around on the lad....so you want to earn the riding award.....why don't you organize a Patrol ride to bob's park and back.....or why not organize a ride to Eagle districts camporee......Promote riding in the patrol and troop......

      Isn't that the point of the award?????

      Very Clearly Patrol, Troop, OA, District, Council and National BSA events are an absolute yes. BSA camp staff, life guard, ect yes.

      Earning a hiking, backpacking or cycling merit badge with your patrol mate yes........

      Riding back and forth to school on your bike no.......Hanging at the swimming pool with your buddies no......water skiing or canoing with your family no.

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      • duckfoot
        duckfoot commented
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        Basement, this has got to be one of the best answers I've seen on this entire forum...

      • Scouter99
        Scouter99 commented
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        And yet he and I are getting panned for saying just that.

      • qwazse
        qwazse commented
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        Every SM get's panned for saying just that. Comes with the patch.

        Apply this simple test: Are you inviting every member of your patrol, troop, crew, etc ... ?

        Note that the question is in present tense. The working assumption is that the scout is getting approval IN ADVANCE. As in "what's the writing on the little scroll in the shape of a smile?"

        If you feel like you need to make up for lost time, here's a retrospective test: was there an invitation on the patrol/troop/crew mailing list or calendar?

    • #4
      The national Advancement Team has defined "at designated Scouting activities or events" from Camping MB as "experiences[that] are held under the auspices of some level of the BSA, and that “Scouting” happens on them." (bold theirs, not mine).

      So, anyone that's not already trying to fudge things can reasonably deduce that the phrases are interchangeable.

      The Advancement team goes on to specifically note that family outings and individual pursuits are not a "scouting activity" and therefore are not "under the auspices": they say, "For example, an individual family or a couple of Scouts and their parents heading off into the woods doesn’t count."

      From "Ask the Expert"
      The official blog of Scouting magazine, a publication of the Boy Scouts of America.

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      • Scouter99
        Scouter99 commented
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        And we're talking about a Boy Scout award, not a life opportunities award. So you understand, you just choose to ignore.

      • King Ding Dong
        King Ding Dong commented
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        In the Bryan on Scouting post, The Advancement Team was only commenting on the camping requirement for the rocker, not the gold and silver devises. As I stated in the other thread, an very active and former district EBOR Chairman stated to me you must read every BSA requirement as a strict constructionist. The requirements for the gold and silver devices do not state the camping, riding, hiking, aquatics activities need to be under the auspices, so they don't. The adventure requirements devices do state under the auspices, so they do.

      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        the problem with your argument KDD.....

        This is an award and has nothing to do with advancement.

    • #5
      Now you see scouter99, that's where you're wrong. I'm not the one ignoring. I'm trying to participate in a brainstorming session "around the campfire", to help others think and at the same time learn something about the program and life in general in return.... But thank you for the education.

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      • #6
        All I see are excuses........

        You bunch of lazy scouters, fix your fricken programs............Guide your scouts, PLC and committe so your guys can earn it legitimately.....

        My boys will earn it under the Auspices.....Regardless how KDD is going to lawyer it so his scout can earn it, He will always know that at least One scouter in the country knows his boy did not earn it legitimately....

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        • #7
          If a scout has notified his SM or merit badge counselor that he wants to take a merit badge and work toward that merit badge and the approval is given i would think that is the Auspice of the BSA. Am I wrong?

          Other wise how cana scout do the individual requirement that are needed for merit badges. For example physical fitness.

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          • qwazse
            qwazse commented
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            Apples and oranges. The "personal" badges can be knocked of in 3 months, and "designated scouting activities" are not mentioned in the requirements. Most boys take a couple of years to rack up camping nights, so troop records are generally used so the boy can set reasonable goals toward completing the badge once he decides to do so.

            The counselor does not declare designated scouting activities for Camping MB any more than s/he determines which constellation is The Big Dipper for Astronomy MB The requirement is quite objective and not one night should require contortions of the English language to justify counting it.

          • st0ut717
            st0ut717 commented
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            thanks....

            personally I would not count a non scouting camping trip i.e. camping with me and his sister for instance as a night for his merit badge or other award. I would use that time to give him experience with his firestarter.
            For physical fitness wihich he has partial and is currently doing his 12 week schedule I have suggested that he work with his Sensei to document that and other requirements of the physical fitness badge.

          • qwazse
            qwazse commented
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            Definitely your boy should proceed has he planned with his counselor. The charting really only needs to be done on the scout's honor, but it never hurts to have a coach help.

            And while you're at it, ask the Sensei if he would like to be a merit badge counselor. Maybe not for your son -- who sounds like he already has another counselor -- but for other boys in your district. It might be mutually beneficial to have a scout go to the dojo.
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