Okay; not sure we have solid thinking here, though it appears maybe on World Level there may be some success?

[jcousino]

Does not trained; does it release national liability if you mess up by doing something you're not trained to do?

[Eagle94-A1]

6 hours ago, Tron said:

That is all stored in the same data layer as everyone else. Nationals system wasnt unreliable, it didnt fail, someone in your council borked your records.

I really do not care who is responsible. But if the data disappears and it needs to be manually recollected and inputted, that is a problem. And ithat is on National, not council, for creating a system that has no backup. It took over a year for me to collect records, transcribe the training codes for the council registrar,  turn into council, and have them input the lost data into the system the first time. Thankfully I kept a copy of the records I turned into the council, so I was able to submit everything before the other districts, and it was done in 3 months. But it took my council almost 2 years to get the records straight.

 

[InquisitiveScouter]

12 hours ago, jcousino said:

Does not trained; does it release national liability if you mess up by doing something you're not trained to do?

Yes, it does release national from liability.  "Doing something you are not trained to do" translates into negligence, specifically when you cause harm and you had a duty of care for the youth.

To date, national has provided a legal umbrella over volunteers, or included them in settlements, in many civil actions.  National is not going to defend you in criminal cases, of course.  (Or civil cases resulting from criminal acts... sexual abuse, for example)

However, in the last few years, I have asked some Council Executives their thoughts on this matter.  Most have expressed the thought that National's (and councils') patience is running thin with leaders who act outside the scope of the program or training, and injury results.  (See numerous stories on lightning deaths and the resultant lawsuits...)

But, they also know that the day National (or a council) walks away from a volunteer, there will be a mass volunteer exodus, and the program will surely fail.