Home Pool Party

[PatrickPablo]

A fellow leader would like to host a meeting at his house and let the scouts use their family pool. We have 16 scouts. There will be a variety of adult leaders present as well. I recently took the Aquatics Supervision course but I'm not clear on what are the minimum age and qualifications/training for the "responder/rescuer" role (relevant since we would need 2 of them for the required 10:1 swimmer: responder ratio). [From the way the book describes the lookout role it seems that scouts can help with that role after having the duties explained to them, but correct me if I'm wrong.]

Do any of you know? I came up empty searching the textbook, the Scouting website, and general googling.

[mrjohns2]

Check out the guide to safe scouting and safe swim defense. What do they say?

[HashTagScouts]

21 hours ago, PatrickPablo said:

A fellow leader would like to host a meeting at his house and let the scouts use their family pool. We have 16 scouts. There will be a variety of adult leaders present as well. I recently took the Aquatics Supervision course but I'm not clear on what are the minimum age and qualifications/training for the "responder/rescuer" role (relevant since we would need 2 of them for the required 10:1 swimmer: responder ratio). [From the way the book describes the lookout role it seems that scouts can help with that role after having the duties explained to them, but correct me if I'm wrong.]

Do any of you know? I came up empty searching the textbook, the Scouting website, and general googling.

Aquatics guide is now available digitally: https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor Program/Aquatics/pdf/Aquatics_34346.pdf?_gl=1*o4y99g*_gcl_au*MTQ1MzU5MzYwOC4xNzQ5NzM1MDgw*_ga*ODM0ODQ1MjkxLjE3NDk1ODQ2OTI.*_ga_20G0JHESG4*czE3NTI1MTMyNTAkbzMkZzEkdDE3NTI1MTMyNTckajUzJGwwJGgw&_ga=2.213894036.1402502429.1752513250-834845291.1749584692

 

All swimming and activity afloat must be supervised by mature and conscientious adults, age 21 or older, who
• understand and knowingly accept responsibility for the well-being and safety of youth members in their care,
• are experienced in the particular activity,
• are confident in their ability to respond appropriately in an emergency, and
• are trained and committed to the nine points of Scouting America’s Safety Afloat and/or the eight points of Safe Swim Defense.

The Den Leader, Cubmaster, Scoutmaster, crew Advisor, or Skipper who accompanies the unit on an outing is responsible for the first and last bulleted points. However, Scouting America policies do not specify that the unit leader must be the one who satisfies all of the above criteria. Under appropriate circumstances, the unit leader may delegate responsibility to others. For example, a Scout troop at a water park with trained lifeguards on duty need not assign separate unit personnel to perform water rescue. A Venturing crew on a whitewater excursion may rely on a licensed outfitter to provide the necessary equipment and trained guides.

As the above examples demonstrate, a unit can participate in fun and challenging aquatics activities even if unit leaders lack the knowledge and skill to conduct the activity themselves, provided leaders ensure that others, such as venue staff, provide the required components. On the other hand, a troop on its way to a jamboree need not forgo the use of a hotel pool just because the facility does not employ a professional lifeguard, provided unit leaders are properly prepared.

 

[Tron]

The safe swim defense is not the greatest at explaining things. Even at a personal pool you have to have ability groups, a health review is recommended, you need 1 responsible adult 21yrs or older as the swimming supervisor. You have to have a trained responder (the rules on this are really basic, a strong swimmer 1st class or higher ranked scout can be the aka lifeguard), and you need 1 observer for every 10 swimmers. There are a number of other items as well. 

[InquisitiveScouter]

23 hours ago, PatrickPablo said:

I recently took the Aquatics Supervision course but I'm not clear on what are the minimum age and qualifications/training for the "responder/rescuer" role (

There are no minimum age and qualifications for that role.

The Aquatics Supervision manual, which is the ultimate printed authority, says on page 6-6, under Safe Swim Defense (SSD), (emphasis added),

4. Response Personnel (Lifeguards) Every swimming activity must be closely and continuously monitored by a trained rescue team on the alert for and ready to respond during emergencies. Professionally trained lifeguards satisfy this need when provided by a regulated facility or tour operator. When lifeguards are not provided by others, the adult supervisor must assign at least two rescue personnel, with additional numbers to maintain a ratio of one rescuer to every 10 participants. The supervisor must provide instruction and rescue equipment and assign areas of responsibility as outlined in this book. The qualified supervisor, the designated response personnel, and the lookout work together as a safety team. An emergency action plan should be formulated and shared with participants as appropriate. If the other elements of Safe Swim Defense are in place, water rescues will seldom be needed. Most lifeguards at Scout summer camps, many of whom work several seasons, are never called upon to make a rescue. The same should be true at unit swims. Even so, there is always some chance of an unexpected medical emergency or other situation that could incapacitate a person in the water. Fortunately, rescues in a controlled situation are relatively safe, simple, and easy to learn. Danger could arise if a would-be rescuer is a poor swimmer ill-trained and ill-equipped for the situation, or if water conditions are hazardous. However, hazardous water situations would violate the third tenet of Safe Swim Defense and should not be present at a unit swim site. Chapter 10 will alert the reader to skills that should be mastered to ensure victim and rescuer safety, the equipment that supports those skills, and situations that should be included in emergency action plans. Older youth and adults who have completed the Lifesaving merit badge, Swimming and Water Rescue, are candidates for response personnel, as are those who have American Red Cross or other professional lifeguard training. Other good swimmers may be used to maintain the required 1 to 10 ratio if coached in basic surveillance and rescue techniques. The line-and-tender procedure for the First Class rank is one such technique. Adult leaders, including the qualified supervisor, may serve as response personnel for an entire activity that is not too long. Short breaks in concentration are provided during buddy checks. If youth are used, they will generally need to be rotated so that they too may enjoy the activity. The emergency action plan may specify that response personnel with more training will handle special situations, such as a spinal injury, whereas all response personnel may respond when a reaching rescue is indicated. Response personnel will generally work as buddy pairs, with each buddy monitoring the other. Note that council maintained and operated swimming areas, such as those at council camps, are subject to state codes and typically must have professionally trained lifeguards on duty. Regulatory requirements for the number, training, and supervision of those lifeguards supercede Safe Swim Defense protocols for response personnel for unit swims. That is, council camps are “regulated facilities” that must use professionally trained lifeguards in numbers mandated by statutes. The 1:10 ratio for lay rescue personnel does not apply. 

https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor Program/Aquatics/pdf/Aquatics_34346.pdf

A lot to unpack there... basically, read Chapter 10, and if your rescue team has those skills, you are good to go.

Minimum number of people to conduct a unit swim?  Four...

1.  Lookout

2 & 3. Rescue team

4.  A "swimmer"

Any two of those four could be the 21+ year olds, one for SSD Supervision, and the second to cover your two-deep requirement for the event.

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Here are some "qualifications" available to you, as an adult leader to select from, to meet this point of SSD: (not all inclusive, and listed in decreasing order of "trust" (my opinion only)...)

A.  Go to National Camping School and become a Scouting America Aquatics Instructor, and train your troop.

B.  Become a certified lifeguard through an accredited agency (American Red Cross, American Lifeguard Association, United States Lifesaving Association, etc, etc, etc)

C.  Become a Scouting America Swim and Water Rescue Instructor, and train your troop...

D.  Become Scouting America Swim and Water Rescue certified

E.  Lifesaving Merit Badge

F.  Swimming Merit Badge

G.  Swim and rescue skills up to First Class.

As the adult leader assuming responsibility for the safe conduct of the swim, you determine whether you meet the SSD point of :

All swimming and activity afloat must be supervised by mature and conscientious adults, age 21 or older, who

- understand and knowingly accept responsibility for the well-being and safety of youth members in their care, 

- are experienced in the particular activity,

- are confident in their ability to respond appropriately in an emergency, and

- are trained and committed to the nine points of Scouting America’s Safety Afloat and/ or the eight points of Safe Swim Defense.

Good luck!