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There have been several threads of late that have wandered off into the murky area of religion and belief and faith.   

Again, I would like to ask, invite discussion, about establishing a separate Forum on "Faith and Chaplaincy".   There are facebook pages on such, I feel this is a good area to include here, thus allowing for diversions of topic from fundraising, difficult leaders, etc.

What say ye,  member Scouters and Moderator Folks ? 

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4 hours ago, SSScout said:

... allowing for diversions of topic from fundraising, difficult leaders, etc.

What say ye,  member Scouters and Moderator Folks ? 

My religion is intrinsically linked to fundraising. Jesus spoke more about money than anything else! It's hardly a diversion from the topic! :ph34r:

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Religion and belief and faith were not murky areas for the founder.

“There is no religious side to the Movement. The whole of it is based on religion, that is, on the realization and service of God.” Lord Robert Baden-Powell, November 1920

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22 minutes ago, gblotter said:

Religion and belief and faith were not murky areas for the founder.

“There is no religious side to the Movement. The whole of it is based on religion, that is, on the realization and service of God.” Lord Robert Baden-Powell, November 1920

Yes, but he was also clear that it was by being a scout,  following the scout law and helping others is the entirety of one's service.

By Baden-Powell

Very closely allied with education comes the important matter of religion. Though we hold no brief for anyone form of belief over another, we see a way to helping all by carrying the same principle into practice as is now being employed in other branches of education, namely, to put the boys in touch with their objective, which in this case is to do their duty to God through doing their duty to their neighbor. In helping others in doing daily good turns, and in rescuing those in danger, pluck, self-discipline, unselfishness, chivalry, become acquired, and quickly form part of their character. These attributes of character, coupled with the right study of Nature, must of necessity help to bring the young soul in closer touch spiritually with God. 

(1912)

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2 hours ago, DuctTape said:

Yes, but he was also clear that it was by being a scout,  following the scout law and helping others is the entirety of one's service.

Your quote from Baden-Powell does not support the assertion that he thought that "to do their duty to God through doing their duty to their neighbor" was "the entirety of one's service".  

That quote could equally well have been written by someone who thought that "to do their duty to God through doing their duty to their neighbor" was only part of doing their duty to God.  

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@gblotter and @DuctTape are revealing two confusing extremes.

One insists that duty to God is something apart from all the good things one does, the other insists that doing good things is in essence duty to God. Truth is likely somewhere in between.

From what I gather, Baden Powell insisted that kids weren't theologians. Therefore, they need to experience a more practical religion of service, ideals, and the outdoors in order to intuit God. Then as they mature, they can bring the faith of their parents (and friends) to address the questions that naturally arise during the application of practical religion.

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The original question of this thread is whether there should be a forum on faith and chaplaincy, not what BP's intent was.

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18 hours ago, MattR said:

The original question of this thread is whether there should be a forum on faith and chaplaincy, not what BP's intent was.

 

17 hours ago, SSScout said:

THERE ! You SEE  !!! 

Well, it's a good thing we have "Scouting History" for tangents like these! :p

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