dan

"Sounds like a personal problem"

Nope, he is just a volunteer like you and I. Nothing official on his site or what he has to say.

Goldwinger

I take anything Mike Walton says with a grain of salt.

Wow This Thread has it all!

BSA wants to make money

uniform sucks

how much a den should meet

boys hate the uniform

Camo is outlawed

The Roy Williams myth memo about camo

AND

NOW

Leather pants! :0

After eating many an excellent meals after my sons joined Boy Scouts, and I learned how to cook in a Dutch Oven. I went to Wal Mart and bought one. It works fine for home use and the not to often camping we do as a family, it is a 12 inch just the right side to cook a meal in for a family of 4/5 and the perfect size to make cobbler in. Make sure that it has legs so you can regulate the heat underneath easier and a lip on the lid so you can put the coals on top and they will stay there.

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works ok for me.

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Beavah

I do not believe I have called for anyone's head on these forums, well at least not in quite a while!

But if a poster thinks a SM should be removed they have the same right to say that as you have to say units can do whatever they want, the BSA does not care. You at least have swayed me to believe that, it does make me sad.

But I do agree we should agree to disagree in a friendly manner, I try but some things get my dander up and I cannot hold back, but I try.

I feel that almost of the poster here love what the program can do for the youths and we just want the best program for all of them! Some posters are parents making sure that there sons are getting a fair shake. And we owe them to tell them what the book says, even if we do not have to follow it.

When I was a scout I was in a non boy lead unit, after seeing what boy lead can be, I feel that units that are not at least not trying to be boy lead are cheating the youth of the real program, along with making youth do merit badges twice because they think it was not done correctly, sorry but it is just wrong. I have read everyone of your posts on this subject and you have not swayed my thinking that is is just adults being old fuddy duddy's trying to control the youths. But you have changed my thiniking on other topics and for that I thank you.

I will continue to play this game with the scouts, it is fun, and I love watching them grow into young men so fast!

http://www.threefirescouncil.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pid=631&fullsize=1

But I will still try and run the program as I have learned it by reading the SM handbook and the BSA handbook and many other BSA publication, I will not split hairs and say may may mean maybe.

If I do not respond to any questions or comments, it is because I am going out of town for the rest of the week with limited Internet access.

Beavah

Are you saying as long as a unit is not losing numbers leave them alone, they must be doing something correct? Do you remember the turf surfers?

It goes both ways, if a parent is asking questions they deserve an answer and not being blown off by the adult leadership of a troop.

"Of course they care. In addition to what they already do to keep volunteers on the path, what would you have BSA do?"

How about giving the UCs some teeth, and tell them to instruct the troops how to do it correctly.

The idea of performance reviews is a good idea, not sure who would do it.

But I really do not believe the people in Texas care about unit operations.

As long as they never hear complaints about them. I hope I am wrong on this, but I see nothing that shows me differently.

Where does one draw the line in the sand with a troop having many options to run a different program than the one the BSA has written?

Making a scout do a merit badge twice just seem like a good way to turn boys off of scouting real quick. I know I am only assuming that he did all the work twice, just as anyone else is assuming that he did not do the work twice.

We have a troop in the council that requires scouts to attend National Youth Leadership training to be able to be an SPL in the troop, another troop requires scout to attend to obtain their Eagle.

Both are tweaks, while one seems like a good tweak the other ones just does not sit well with me. What have I done about it? Nothing, if I was closer to the troop that I disagree with I would tell them that they are wrong and give them the BSA paper work that I believe says they are doing it wrong. If a parent asked me I would tell them to not send the boy and file a complaint or find another troop, this one is not running a good BSA program.

Where do you draw the line? It sure seems to me that the starter of this thread says there is no lines in the sand that should not be crossed, as long as the adult leaders are happy it is all good. After all they are just volunteers. Where is your line that you think should not be crossed?

Does the BSA not care? As long as you have a troop they are happy to let the troops do whatever they want as long as they do not hear any complaints.

The scouters who are in the program for themselves do not deserve anyone support.

Joni4TA

I am so sorry to hear what you are being put through.

I really think you should call your CC and tell him he needs to report this to the SE and if he will not you will.

I will say a prayer for you and your troop.

I have been told that it depends on the type of bear on what your reaction should be. Brown and Black play dead if attacked, If they are getting ready to attack, look as big as you can and talk loudly to the bedr. Grizzly do not play dead or be aggressive. Anyone know for sure?

I have never taken a phone away from a scout, I have told a couple of scouts either put them away or give them to me during a troop meeting.

On a campout I have gotten a scout out of his tent in the middle of the day to do a service project because he was laying in the tent talking on his phone, when he should have been out with his patrol.

Before we where heading out on the trail in the Rocky''s this year I asked the scouts who was taking a phone along, they give me a funny look and asked why. I said if you guys are going to carry a phone, I am leaving mine in the car! They just laughed and 2 of them said they are taking phones with them, I said great less weight for me.

I do not believe in banning them just setting expectations.

I think that the decision to wear the sash to a BOR should be left up to the scout. Not the SM or the Committee members.

he just posted yesterday or the day before

Do not forget about NYLT. Maybe you would like to staff the course?

My son had his Eagle BOR last night. Some of you may remember that I wrote that he turned 18 a quite few weeks ago, on the trail on the Rocky Mountains. He has had everything completed for his Eagle since May. Than he was gone for a week and a half for NYLT, almost 3 Weeks for two High Adventure trips, and trying to get the BOR scheduled with the council, in summer, with so many people on vacation, took a while to get it scheduled.

He came home with a big smile on his face.

He said that the question they asked were very hard, many he was not expecting.

It has been a good run for us.

Even though it is not over! I asked him this week if he thought about working at Philmont or Double H next summer, he said yes he had, but it sounds like he may try to work at Northern Tier instead, he loves Minnesota and the BWCA.

IMHO Portillo's is not as good as it once was, it is still good but not great.

For a Really Good Hot Dog around here look for any little hot dog shop that ends in Red Hots, there is quite a few around the suburbs of Chicago.

What I have been really hungry for is a Mariska's garlic poor boy sandwich. This is in Crest Hill, Illinois. Something that I have not had in about 20 years.

From wikipedia

The Chicagoland variation of the Poor Boy Sandwich originated in Crest Hill at Marichka's.

Here ya go!

http://www.woodbadgestore.net/shop/

When I attended wood badge My troop guide give me a fox bead on a leather necklace, I wear this more than I wear my beads.

I like both lists.

Number 16 and 19 is the same as Beavahs' list, only he put more detail to them.

I would reword Number 14 to say scout are given the opportunity to get 1st class in a year.

I would remove number 18.

I would also add that they have at least one TJLT once a year.

IMNSHO

Some people should not be Boy Scout Leaders.

Thanks OGE

Fscouter

You stated that relatives are not allowed to set on BOR, are you sure? This goes against what I have been told.

Is it differnt for an Eagle BOR verus other ranks?

Scouts running the BSA program.

GernBlansten

I am starting to see your point that advancements and the scouts feeling are more important than meeting the requirements.

What other requirements should we fudge on?

POR? first aid? or only tenderfoot requirements?

What service are you giving an scout by not following the boy Scout handbook?

I saw this in the paper last night, I wanted to post this last night but I had enought of the computer for the day.

I stood outside of work today and recited the Scout Oath and Law.

http://www.dailyherald.com/search/searchstory.asp?id=336105

At 8 a.m. Wednesday, Boy Scouts from around the world will raise three fingers to their brow and recite the Scout pledge in honor of the 100th anniversary of the organization.

One century ago on Brownsea Island off the coast of England, Robert Baden-Powell opened the worlds first Scout camp with the sound of his kudu horn. From 20 Scouts assembled that morning to millions today, the Boy Scouts organization has grown to a worldwide entity.

Baden-Powell was a military intelligence officer who wrote a training manual for the military titled, Aid to Scouting.

The manual became very popular, especially with teachers and youth organizations. Baden-Powell revised it as a non-military book and centered on a more naturalist theme. He renamed it Scouting For Boys and it became the first manual for the Boy Scouts.

In London there will be a special celebration commemorating the anniversary attended by 40,000 boys from 168 countries. Five Scouts from our area will be attending.

We will have a re-enactment at Camp Freeland Leslie in Oxford Wis., as well said Nancy Loftus, marketing and communications director for Three Fires Council in St. Charles. A kudu horn will sound at 8 a.m. followed by a flag ceremony and activities similar to the activities that were held 100 years ago.

William D. Boyce, a newspaper publisher from Chicago, is credited with bringing the Scout organization to America.

In 1909, Boyce was visiting London and got lost in a dense fog. A boy assisted him and Boyce offered him a tip for his service. The boy refused to accept it, stating that as a Scout he would not take a tip for doing a good turn.

The organization officially became Boy Scouts of America on Feb. 8, 1910. President Taft was the organizations first honorary president.

In 1929 the scout organization came to our area with the creation of the Fox Valley Council. Official uniforms came into being in 1930 at the cost of $6.05.

During the war years the Boy Scouts did a good turn by helping with the war effort, selling war bonds and war stamps. Some packs had victory gardens and helped further by collecting grease, milkweed floss and newspapers.

The Fox Valley Council merged with neighboring communities to form the Three Fires Council. It is the third largest council in America serving more than 35,000 kids from DuPage, Kane, Kendall, DeKalb, Will and Cook counties.

The boys are busy. Last year they gave more than 80,000 hours of service to their communities.

Throughout the years Scouts have learned about life skills and how to become integral members of their communities. Starting as young Tiger Cubs in kindergarten, they advance each year after earning the necessary merit badges. The highest level of scouting is the Eagle Scout award and only 2 percent of the membership has achieved it because of the commitment of time and work involved.

Batavian Doug Whitley made it. He grew up in Atwood, Ill., a rural town in east central Illinois. He became an Eagle Scout in 1967.

My project had something to do with a city park, he said. Todays Eagle Scout projects are far more elaborate than I seem to recall from my years.

Requirements for Eagle Scout include scout spirit, service and leadership. Notable Eagle Scouts over the years have included presidents, Navy admirals, cinematographers, explorers, businessmen, war heroes, just about any field can claim an Eagle Scout in its ranks. Known for their leadership skills, many Eagle Scouts excel in their fields. Doug Whitley served as president of Ameritech and is currently President and CEO of the Illinois Chamber of Commerce.

One hundred years and still going strong. Congratulations!