Eagle1970

I have not looked at the financials of the trust, lately. Has the trust even received $1B? I understood much of the $2.4B did not need to be paid while litigation was pending. Wouldn't be ironic if those who filed the motion to discard the $3500 election and lost the ruling actually end up with MORE $$? Not an impossible outcome, with the ongoing litigation AND the possibility of a huge advance of up to 1.5% or $1000.

While I feel bad for anyone in this position, if they were filling out their own forms, without assistance, then they likely didn't have lawyers or didn't seek their advice. But, yes, if an attorney filled it out and checked the box, that would not be good on them.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/boy-scouts-victims-cant-change-quick-pay-decision-judge-rules-2024-02-06/

Clearly, the trust has to have claims submitted before knowing the aggregate exposure and therefore the individual settlements. So, this is a step forward.

I first discussed my abuse with close family when I was in my late 20's. I told my parents and asked what I should do. My dad's attorney advised on the criminal and civil statutes, and that was that. It did not produce justice nor compensation. More like injustice, knowing that my Boy Scout employed abuser received a blessing from the state. So far as the bankruptcy goes, I will stone-clad guarantee you that this 3-4 year process (so far) has produced nothing but more heartache and pain-especially given that I was pretty much required to re-live all of the events in order to properly document and convey the information to the trust. Then we have the Matrix. When I filed my claim, I contacted the administrator and was told that because it was a bankruptcy there would be no impact of state statutes of limitation. Sure. The matrix cuts my claim by 80% on jurisdiction alone, so even with all of the aggravating factors, I stand to gain about as much as a survivor in an open state, whose only abuse was being shown some porn. And I am not making light of any abuse. Just making a point. There is nothing, again, nothing in this settlement that will fix anything. And, yes, I believe BSA should have paid with termination of its charter, because that is the only way in my mind this cannot happen to anyone again. Ever. And if I let it eat at me, I now have not only my abuser to despise, but the BSA, the state of Missouri (which ALMOST opened a window, except for the insurance lobby, church and Chamber of Commerce) and now the inequity in the trust, the slow legal system, the insurance companies, the court system. So, no, there's no getting on with my life. I try to see the bright side of things, but I now despise ALL of the aforementioned, and there will be no forgiving. I, long ago, abandoned the Catholic Church. But the effing Chamber of Commerce?

So it sounds like this will stop the Trust to some extent. In all of the various cases I read about, with appeal after appeal, I'm stuck between Justice Served and Justice Denied. If we have gone through this for nothing, it will clearly be the latter.

Thanks so much for the detailed response. The trust is pretty quiet about moving forward beyond the $3500 payouts and related issues. I wonder if they are going to start evaluating claims anytime soon and running them through the matrix. Like I said, I completed my entire submission on day one of the opening, so I would think I would know earlier than some. Obviously, those with aggregious medical issues get bumped up. Frankly, I'd rather just wait than be in that group. Though nobody here is getting any younger.

Back on the Trust Settlement... How can the Trust distribute anything while this is under appeal? They clearly have been paying out the $3500 to those who agreed to it. But where does it go from there? I see a new website design, but no movement on my claim since I submitted it on day one. And if anyone can enlighten me on the status of the appeals process, or where I can follow the appeals, I would appreciate that.

My abuse was also perpetrated by a BSA EMPLOYEE. It doesn't lessen anything suffered by a scout abused by another boy. But it DOES directly implicate BSA, with no way to mitigate responsibility. Because of what I personally experienced, I hoped BSA would cease to function. I stopped the cycle with my generation, as I refused to allow my children to participate. The outcome that allows BSA to continue following BK is a big win for supporters of the organization. And any talk of this token settlement for victims being a bad outcome for BSA is extremely insensitive and very uninformed.

Not in the early 70's when I was abused. I heard that my abuser (BSA Camp Employee) was just a little funny that way. It was laughed off. So you go ahead and preach the Gold Standard, while I will alternate between crying and laughing. But you know what, OJO? I'm not here to debate. I'm here to discuss pertinent information on the settlement. Frankly, admin, I would like to see the forum stick to the topic at hand so the forum itself does not result in additional damage to any victim/survivor. Myself included.

We can agree that distributing a sizable portion of BSA assets to law firms is a crying shame. Beyond that, the fact that BSA is allowed to survive at all, after its employee molested me and so many others were victimized.... that's the bad deal. But just fyi, this is a forum where survivors are trying to work through grief. So, go troll Elon and give the BSA victims some peace please.

And for the sake of the vast majority of the survivors, I hope the judge is a little more swift in her ruling than she indicates.

Another delay. Just wondering how you can select a quick-pay option "without understanding its ramifications". The form was very clear, to me. And this will stop the quick-pay resolution in its tracks for an unknown period of time, and that will slow the progress of the entire flow of claims. PER BLOOMBERG: Hundreds of claimants seek to correct paperwork error Judge said she will take time to issue ruling The Boy Scouts of America’s bankruptcy judge asked sex abuse claimants’ lawyers for a legal standard that would allow some claimants to correct potentially costly mistakes they made on paperwork. Judge Laurie Selber Silverstein said at a Monday hearing she would need time to determine if claimants who opted for a $3,500 payout from the youth organization’s $2.46 billion abuse victims’ trust can change the selection they made. About 500 claimants, or 0.4% of all claimants, have said they selected the quick-pay option without understanding its ramifications—that they would be unable to pursue larger recoveries.

I was unable to attend the town hall and realize it will be posted at some point on the settlement page. But, was there anything of substance?

Sure. It means that if your abuse occurred in Ohio, you are in a much better position. My state of Missouri has already made it abundantly clear that there is not going to be any lookback window included in potential legislation. So, good for Ohio claimants. Dilution for everyone else.

Did I read somewhere that this was First In First Out, as far as questionnaire submission? I represent myself so I can move it along, if that is the case.

I was not aware of that. Thanks for the info. The same still applies to non-settling entities.

Just received the email: Letter from the Settlement Trustee (Aug. 17, 2023): Processing Portal Opened for All Claims My commitment as Trustee is to provide compensation and a measure of justice to the Survivors of childhood sexual abuse that occurred during their time in the Boy Scouts of America (“BSA”). Every member of the Scouting Settlement Trust (“Trust”) team joins me in sharing these goals. To that end, I am pleased to open the claims processing portal to all Claimants, starting today.

More important than ever, the longer the insurers can hold on to the money, the less it is worth. The wife an I had breakfast at Denny's the other day for $48.70. (So much for the $1.99 Grand Slam!). Simply delaying the inevitable is a win for them (and a loss for survivors).

I was a strong NO on this. When I originally was working on my Proof, I called in for some information and was told that it didn't matter that my state was closed SoL, because it was a bankruptcy. Also was told "everyone would be treated equally". Of course I came to find out that the SoL absolutely mattered, as my state is 10% and along with that, we clearly are not being treated equally. However, I have come around, primarily because the victims are aging and dying off, so I just concluded that some justice for some was better than no justice for any.

A Missouri Judge recently let a time-barred suit move forward against a summer camp, based on fraud in disclosure, or lack thereof. So even closed states will have issues. My troop is Catholic Parish sponsored. So I can see where that would go if BK fails to settle the issues.

I have a good friend involved in the Purdue case (lost his brother). Though they haven't waited nearly as long as BSA survivors, what a shame it is that they must wait even longer for justice when they reached a deal they agreed to. And what if it totally falls apart? Maybe another 10 years? Or nothing.... Similarly, in our case, there is a possibility that IT falls apart. If not, how many survivors will "age out" before the courts are finished. I suspect trust recipients are passing away weekly. With real rates of inflation, which I believe to be much higher than the CPI, a BSA abuse victim from the early 70's (as am I) might not see 5 cents on the dollar, and even that may be years down the road. What a travesty! Meanwhile, my perp is fully protected by the SOL and BSA moves forward. There are days I wish I never involved myself in this.

Very detailed and helpful. Thank you. I was able to resource into the pending bill detail to find out that a lookback window in Missouri is in conflict with a line in the state constitution, which is why it was stripped out of the bill. However, they are working on some sort of a workaround, though I have no idea what that might be. Either way, there is movement in my state to get some help for survivors. It's not just a BSA thing in MO. There is a Nationally chartered camp here with a lengthy history of CSA and a bunch of older survivors who would like their day in court. The bill has bipartisan support, so fingers crossed. You and I both on the hope of being alive when this is done playing out.

Missouri House has perfected a bill (HB367) to increase SoL to 20 years from age 21 or when injury was discovered. Unfortunately, they stripped out the window, which was the purpose in bringing the bill. But it is still more than doubling of the reporting period for action. The Insurance lobby and Chamber of Commerce were the primary voices against the bill, so they chopped out the meat and moved it forward without the window. Scout survivors and long-time survivors of a summer-camp were heavily behind passage. Their entire message was about the need for the window so both groups of survivors could seek justice. I'm sure they are devastated. But it is Missouri. My question for the group regards the "Proposed SoL Scaling Factors". So, are they set in stone with the Trust having moved forward? Missouri is listed as 10-25% in that chart. But when I compare what is likely to be the new SoL, it would become longer than some states that have a 50% factor. What other factors are involved with those rather arbitrary percentages? I represent myself, and can't seem to find a resource to clarify this. My case is documented. But the SoL factor, if it stands, will minimize any recovery. If I were in an open state, I would surely be represented and likely take the IRO. But, at this point, all I can do is whatever I can to address the SoL. There have been cases that tolled the old (7 year) SoL and with one that is so much longer, it would seem that would be an easier road for a plaintiff than in the past. So it surprises me that the state is 10-25%. I'm sure I am missing something. Anyone?

Mods, I wonder if this forum should be spun off into survivor issues vs. BSA ongoing operations discussion. Anyway, I see in my USPS Informed Delivery that I have a letter coming from Omni today. Has anyone received it?