CynicalScouter

The "contingency plan" is pretty straightforward. 1) Life Scouts are going to be, in effect, assigned an ASM mentor. The two of them will ram and jam ASAP whatever is left for Eagle. Given everything discussed here, we are not expecting BSA to be operating much past July 1 and that's out "target date" for all Life Scouts to sit for EBORs. 2) All other scouts and scout parents have been notified that committee leadership as well as our SM believe that BSA will cease operations/liquidate in the next 4-6 months. We will do what we can to keep our Troop operating but that we do not expect to exist past that point. We will do what we can and work with the CO/COR to talk refunds and what can be done. 3) We already gave our District advancement person a heads up and he agrees that he doesn't expect BSA to survive this so he understands. There will be a TON of EBORs to push through other units. BSA's dead, but it isn't fair to scouts to see all their work fail.

Here, Exhibit 3 https://www.pszjlaw.com/assets/htmldocuments/BSA Summary of Sexual Abuse Claims.pdf

That's the hope/theory behind the new facilities agreements. The idea is that if the COs are going to abandon their role as CO, maybe they'd at least allow for renting the facilities. I suspect some COs are willing to rent out their multipurpose room once a week (for a $1) for a Pack meeting. Others will simply want, as you said, to have Scouts completely out of the building. Short Form Facility Use Agreement Annual Council Unit Registration Agreement

Yep. They have no clue.

Here's the thing, I am utterly convinced that your SE may have been telling the truth as he knew it at the time. What we were told was exact numbers against exact councils were a) still being tabulated by National or b) not allowed to be disclosed due to the confidential mediation.

I consider myself relatively well informed. I am on district committee and know/work with people at the Council level. I also believe our Key-3 has been more open than most. I had NO idea. We were NOT told any of these numbers. In fact, when we had a Councilwide open house with the Key-3 we were told only that our Council had "about the average" number of claims. I see now it was about 100 (some list claims against OUR council and the next door council) which is about what the average per council looks like. But we were told in January exact numbers were not allowed to be disclosed because it was part of the confidential mediation. That may have been true. But in general no. And, frankly, I suspect the average Scoutmaster or Den Leader either isn't going to be told or even if told won't know what to do with that data point. Keep in mind we in this forum are steeped in this. If I took the 8 Den Leaders from my old pack right now and asked them what the difference between a BSA Council and a BSA district is, 6 would have no clue, 1 would guess and guess wrong, and 1 would know. Or if I told them "our Council had 100 abuse claims against it" they'd not know is that a lot? A little? What's our Council again? Etc.

Yep. This year my FOS contribution is going direct to my troop instead.

That is, almost verbatim, the plan as I noted here

As recently as last week there were Councils pushing out emails screaming for the world to hear that their Council would in no way shape or form be impacted or have to pay a dime. That this was all National. Well, guess what LCs? That's not going to cut it anymore (if it ever did).

Right. Regardless of what happens, win, lose, or draw, the TCC lawyers and their firms already made bank.

I don't think they fully grasped it. I mean, still trying to protect Summit? WHAT?! They didn't make an offer. They offered an insult. And it just got thrown back in their face. The impression I got is that at this point, there is no scenario that gets a 66% deal. At this point, BSA could offer the moon and the stars. It isn't going to be enough to get to 66% And if the judge refuses to order a cramdown, that means game over. BSA either self-liquidates or comes out of a failed Chapter 11 and is immediately sued into oblivion along with a large number of LCs. But as I said, it isn't even the lawsuits. It is the COs who are going to walk away when they start to see 10 thousand lawsuits around the country.

I am on the phone with my committee chair now. We are putting in a contingency plan we had discussed last fall at recharter. We are going to do everything we can to get our Life Scouts to Eagle as soon as possible. There's going to be a lot of hand holding. The CC had already drafted a letter to the troop parents indicating that we now expect BSA to be liquidated/cease operations by summer 2021. We'll be updating some language and pushing that out tomorrow. I knew things were bad when I saw that BSA National slap-in-the-face offer of $6000. Now this is call tonight. I'm just numb.

Because of the COs. 1) There's at LEAST 10,000 claims against LCs and COs that are about to be filed in the next 3 months. That will wipe them out. 2) Once LCs and COs start to get mass sued, there's no way other COs will stick around. The entire Diocese of Dallas already threw BSA out of all their parishes. Similarly COs had already refused to recharter over worries about liability. This is over. I am so sad right now. Yes, I understand these people were abused and I mourn and weep for them. But I am crying that my sons will be out of scouts by the summer.

Just open states.

The point is that they won't be. The claimants are being told to start filing suits against the local councils and even the COs NOW. EDIT: This is NOT going to end or stop with National being liquidated and every HA base sold. They made it absolutely clear: with a 66% threshold vote they will be going after BSA National, the Local Councils, the Chartered Organizations, and individuals (which I interpreted as both the abusers and those in positions of authority that could have or should have stopped the abuse or exercised control over the abuser). They are going to produce a transcript and post a recording of the video later, but I am telling you here folks: BSA National is dead. ANY Council in a state that eased restrictions on the statutes of limitations is dead. I just am sitting here stunned.

This is beyond the HA camps. This is total liquidation OR ELSE they will start suing every LC into the ground. As @Eagle1993 noted, this is going to be 10-13 THOUSAND lawsuits this summer. It really is over.

$1.4 billion by the last estimates/reports. Kosnoff is delighted.

When did YPT officially start? 1988?

And Kosnoff controls enough votes to ensure that never, ever happens other than liquidation. It's over.

Yep. BSA's done.

Except that the threshold for criminal charges is higher than what would be necessary for a civil suit against these councils. And even if the individual abuser was convicted, that doesn't give the Council a get-out-of-liability-free card.

Thank you. I will say one number that stands out is 39,177. That's the number of claims where the council is unknown or missing. One of the biggest hurdles as I understand it is a) Councils not willing to pay or not wanting to pay into any settlement AND b) that the formula for how much each Council will pay is based, in part, on how many claims are in that Council. With almost half of all claims "Council unknown" I cannot image how you calculate a Council's contribution to a settlement. That number is going to have to come way, way down I would think before LCs start to talk payments.

No it doesn't. Grooming refers to a specific thing: 1) Befriending and establishing an emotional connection 2) With a child 3) to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse. In order to be "grooming" it has to meet all 3 criteria. If it doesn't meet all three, it isn't grooming. There's no "spectrum" here. A person can "groom" a child and never actually commit the sex abuse, that doesn't mean it wasn't grooming, it was simply grooming that failed to result in sexual abuse. And research has shown most abusers will "groom" many more children than they actually abuse. That doesn't mean the children were not "groomed".

Simply put, a statement was made by @David COthat grooming was "psycho-babble". Does anyone else here think grooming scouts for sexual assault is "psycho-babble"? I want to be very, very clear to any scouts who are reading this: I BELIEVE GROOMING HAPPENS. SEXUAL ABUSE IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

Except that it does. Even the program you tout as amazing and better than BSA/YPT discusses "grooming". http://www.erinslaw.org/tag/grooming/ https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aerinslaw.org%2F+grooming https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q="erin's+law"+grooming The Illinois Erin's Law Task Force report to the Illinois General Assembly discussed that grooming is REAL and not as you claim "psychobabble". https://www.isbe.net/Documents/erins-law-final0512.pdf The National Conference of State Legislatures which tracks the states that have adopted Erin's Law note that "grooming" is in fact part of Erin's Law education and training and in many states is even written into the statute itself. https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/erins-law-and-child-sexual-abuse-prevention-laws.aspx Examples of the word "groom" or "grooming" appearing directly in the statute include Connecticut: Conn. Gen. Stat. Ann. § 17a-101q and Oregon ORS 336.059. The fact that you CONTINUE to dismiss grooming as psycho-babble makes me sick to my stomach. MODS: Feel free to ban me. But I am NOT going to be simply let this go by just so you can appease @David CO. This is too important to simply be silent about. GROOMING IS REAL. IT IS NOT PSYCHO-BABBLE.