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7 hours ago, FormerCubmaster said:

Yeah, I’ve frankly never seen it outside of discussions of the BSA bankruptcy.  But, when in Rome . . . 🙂

They announced a name change right around the time they exited the BSA.

6 minutes ago, swilliams said:

So what happens next?

I know that's a very broad question, lol.  If the judge's opinion isn't 100% approval or denial of the plan, what needs to happen, and which entity needs to take the steps needed, to get to the end of the bankruptcy process and begin to settle with CSA victims?

Apologies, but I've been sort of following this off-and-on for the last half year.

It looks like the best approach is to fix the unapproved issues from the judge's ruling. The largest is working out the CJC/LDS issue.

Looking at the requirements, there are a few at for the AOL rank that specify only with your den, not with your den or family. The Webelos rank though does have the den or family wording. The only other hangup might be the "be active in your den" tenure requirement, but by the GTA, active basically means registered, unless you explicitly have other rules. I'd ask them how they want to handle those specifics and what they want to do once they transition to a troop, where attendance is somewhat more mandatory.

For lion through bear, any responsible adult can sign off on requirements, so at that level the youth can do scouting at home. The Covid FAQ has been updated to remove the ability of parents to sign off on requirements at home for Webelos dens, the Webelos den leader is still responsible for doing that, though they can agree to delegate that to the parents.

Just now, ToKindle96 said:

"here's your chance to be official." I remain dismayed at the ease with which scouters ignore the rules and everyone knows about it and looks away. Until this pilot there were no mixed gender dens, yet many units had them anyway. I know... leadership challenges, efficiency, made sense for families, scouts wanted it that way, etc. but rules are rules. Pretty hard to instill the scout law in scouts when we flagrantly disregard the first point of it. What kind of example is that for the youth? 

The previous rules allowed for a single gender boys den and a single gender girls den to meet at the same time and location. And den leaders can be den leaders of multiple dens.

3 minutes ago, scoutldr said:

"They" is and always has been plural.

Shakespeare used a singular they.

1 minute ago, MattR said:

I'm confused. Is it hours or nights of camping? 100 hours of camping at 40 hours/campout isn't very much. But 100 nights is rather respectable. Then again, I'm not too sure what the NOAA program is. To me NOAA refers to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (or something like that).

https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/advancement-and-awards/noa/
 

It reads to me like the devices indicate how many total nights camping the scout has. So the segment indicates 25 nights and each gold device is an additional 25 nights. A silver device would indicate 100 nights plus 25 for the patch segment.

Yeah, its just a pointless formality before announcing that coed dens work for Cub Scout aged youth.

49 minutes ago, KevinW said:

I see the yearly BSA reports to the nation through 2019 at https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/about-the-bsa/annual-reports/.
I see the 2020 here:   https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/BSA-Report-to-the-Nation_2021.pdf
Where can I find the 2022 one that covers year 2021 (?

my understand is that a lot the annual reporting is waiting on the bankruptcy case to finish up. I suspect the goal is to have the case finished so going forward the reporting can talk about the path forward.

I believe you can dodge the registration fees the first year by first registering as a MBC and then submitting a multiple registration application to register as an ASM. That said, for the future, the unit level registration will be considered primary, and the district/council level registration (like MBC, commissioner, district committee) will be considered the multiple registration.

Assuming he has already earned eagle, that won’t go away so it would not impact his future in the military. 

For good or ill, there's not much to do beyond move on if the BSA says to move on. Its a private group and they can more or less arbitrarily ask anyone to move on and go somewhere else whenever they want.

Wood Badge qualifies as a short term camp as per SA-001.

As per SQ-405 (camp health officer), if EMS is 10 minutes away or less, the only requirement is that the health officer have CPR/AED training and the person be 18 or older. And for short term camps, the health officer needs to be on site only when participants are on site. The camp health officer can also hold other rolls in the program. Tag someone on staff who has first aid/CPR training current, designate them the health officer, and be done with it.

Blue loops and bleaching?

But given the evenness, I would assume some custom event.

I'm in the middle of finishing up the binder for my day camp so I've been seeing all the standards lately.

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FA-702 Drinking Water

STANDARD:
Adequate access to safe drinking water is provided to all participants .

INTERPRETATION:

Drinking water is from an approved public water system source or is tested regularly during the season for bacteriological quality, and meets governmental health standards . In the absence of an applicable health code, piped or provided water supplies are tested at least once a year at the start of camp .

And 

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FA-710 Garbage and Sewage removal

STANDARD:

Disposal of garbage, refuse, and sewage meets the demand of the maximum number of campers in attendance . Garbage storage facilities are clean, and pest control is adequate .

INTERPRETATION:

It is anticipated that raw garbage should be removed from the individual campsites daily in day camp, short-term camps, and long-term camps . Camps offering outpost or trek programs should provide guidance on garbage handling and provide reasonable options for garbage handling, consistent with the nature of the program .

The use of commercial portable toilet facilities for disposal of human waste and toilet paper, if used and maintained in accordance with manufacturer’s directions and local code, is acceptable .

VERIFICATION:

• Visual inspection of garbage-handling practices

• Review of sewage-handling practices

Beyond all that, camp properties are not immune from local laws or code rules. They might be old enough to be grandfathered into earlier rules, but still we are supposed to follow the rules.

11 minutes ago, JoeBob said:

Am I reading this correctly?  No Scout has to be a family member?  Any JoeBob off the street can bring his tribe to Scout camp, send a few rounds downrange, swim with the dolphins, and hang out at the waterfront?

My understanding from last year is that at least one person in the group needs to be registered though that might have changed.

Insert my general rant that the cub program should be split into two groups, roughly k-2 with a lower general time commitment, and 3-5 with a higher level of engagement, but because the kids are older its less stressful for the leaders. Reducing burnout in the cub program would help a lot.

I do think the rise of more organized sports (and higher levels of commitment for all extra curricular) has certainly affected scouting. There's a question of how we can either be priority #1 for a few kids or a consistent #2 option for a bunch of others.

I also think that there has been a general fracturing across all of American life. The conformity of the 50s changed into the individuality of modern life, which means that each program like scouting has to compete more directly. Getting back to the basics of our core competency instead of being everything is important.

It’s worth saying that the chartering organization might also have anti-retaliation rules in place.

7 minutes ago, Cecille25 said:

I’m just confused as to what to do next.

I would shop for a new troop, if that's at all an option. Its not the perfect option, but a SM and CC backing said SM regarding bullying is something to get away from regardless of what happens to the SM within scouting.

4 minutes ago, skeptic said:

IF the tale is accurate, it appears some individual has a problem with the color pink worn by a male.  And that is very biased, or worse; IMHO. 

It looks to be a troop issued shirt if I understand the situation correctly. Which makes it all the worse for the SM's opinion.

I'm kinda disturbed by the attitude displayed here that bullying is not a reportable incident. Handling stuff like this on the quiet is a big part of what has led to the BSA's current legal trouble.

15 minutes ago, elitts said:

If the Scoutmaster encouraged the other boys to then be unkind to your son, that WOULD be bullying, but if the other boys were just pissed at your son for taking up 45 minutes of their time over not changing his shirt, that is not bullying.

I'd argue its the SM/ASM that took up the 45 minutes of the time over a shirt.

2 minutes ago, OaklandAndy said:

Sure is and if "we" resist by not buying the new accessories (handbook, neckerchief, etc.) each year, they'll find another way to collect revenue (annual fee increases). 

There are some elements I wouldn’t mind as much. Add a way to access the Cub Scout handbooks electrically via Scoutbook, or the merit badge books as a unit, great. 

48 minutes ago, Armymutt said:

I'm telling my parents to not buy the Cub Scout handbooks.  At $25 a year, it's another expense that really isn't needed.  Scoutbook has all the requirements and a little Google time will clarify any questions.  My kids haven't opened theirs on their own at all.  The Boy Scout handbook is probably more useful as it isn't a one year and done thing.

The Scout handbook is at least intended to last several years. The way cub stuff has to be repurchased yearly is really off-putting. New book, necker, hat, belt and socks yearly just feels bad. 

28 minutes ago, mrjohns2 said:

I don’t understand why they turned them off now. They were not involved. 

Being somewhat more involved in the Cub Scout area, I can say that on the Cub Scout side, there was a bunch of not reliable information that gets perpetuated even after the official word comes in to correct it. Having bad information on the official forum is not great. That said, a better way to get answers that everyone can reference would be nice.