Eagle1993

Is anyone still working with Scoutlander? I have an issue I would like them to fix and have not been able to get a response. My Troop doesn't use Scoutlander and the public contact info seems to not go anywhere.

My understanding is on the asset side, everything is sold for the benefit of or transferred directly to creditors. Every HA camp, all intellectual property/trademarks, etc. Everything. So, Eagle Scout rank ... I expect that would be sold. Possible buyers (Trail Life, GSUSA, some new WOSM org, private company that would want to profit from it somehow). Philmont would be sold. Yes, a tycoon could come up with $70M and buy it and save it for scouting (hopefully). I believe liquidation will not occur, even if the vote fails. The tone and actions of the judge makes me think this is the last thing she wants. I bet BSA has a back pocket quick exit plan that they could convince the judge to implement via cramdown. My guess is the coalition knows what that plan is and would like to avoid it (as it probably means less money immediately and the path to larger payouts will be through insurance fights & state courts which will take time). The judge will not want to see the BSA liquidate and may determine it is the only exit path.

Since he made it public, if you are interested: text him at 425-830-8201 with "yes" and your phone number/email address You do not have to be a AIS client; however, if you are not you should clear this with your lawyer first.

Kosnoff is reporting a slew of texts and has a media coordinator. It appears they will be working on going out to local media (and in some cases national).

Per Maria Chutchian (Reuters Bankruptcy reporter) Judge Silverstein said that individual claimants will have the opportunity to raise any concerns they have about the plan during a January trial if they would like.

Or 1,920 trees ... but I digress.

Here is another https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/09/07/boy-scout-leader-ronald-rowcliffe-has-faced-child-sex-abuse-allegations-before/2245186001/ This one is interesting as the man was charged in court in 2000 over abusing teenagers but got a plea deal. That was an a leader of an Explorer unit ... so how could the BSA let him still be a leader in 2018/2019? This man pled guilty in 2020 to CSA at a scout camp. So ... multiple red flags over several years including one within the BSA. I think this is where there are questions if BSA can really handle this. This isn't from 1965. Why was this guy a leader after all of these issues (including one within the BSA)?

I think this is difficult to answer as many victims may not indicate the abuse until years later. Here is an example: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/byers-beat/interview-with-parents-of-victims-former-boy-scout-leader/63-4b5013af-4d8b-4164-a92d-78bdd5093eeb

I actually expect COs to become the target of future lawsuits. I think the weakest link we have is the approval of adult leaders. In some cases, I would not be surprised to see adults working with units beyond 72 hours and are not registered leaders. In other cases, they are registered ... but remember the only signature on the form for unit leaders is the COR. So the COR will be brought into court and asked what he/she did to review/approve the leader (call references, etc.). In many cases, I expect COs could be found negligent in their role in youth protection under the current BSA system. I'm honestly a bit surprised any CO would sign up for this level of liability. Note that going forward, national BSA has almost no net assets (so probably not that attractive for lawsuits). Many LCs are drained. COs may be the ones targeted and many are paper only meaning they could be found negligent.

Agenda for today's hearing released. See below. Debtors’ Motion For Entry of Order (I) Scheduling Certain Dates and Deadlines in Connection with Confirmation of the Debtors Plan of Reorganization, (II) Establishing Certain Protocols, and (III) Granting Related Relief (D.I. 2618, filed 4/15/21). https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/48fd773c-aa99-43cc-ad9e-ccd83cd9e142_6475.pdf

Brutal article in the Seattle Times. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this repeated nationwide. The payouts are so low … then simply show how much assets the councils are keeping. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/bsa-settlement-proposal/ A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a survivor to as little as $3,300 under a nationwide proposal filed in court Tuesday. It’s painful to see,” said Jason Amala, a Seattle-based lawyer whose team represents more than 1,000 claimants, including Thurman and about 50 survivors from Washington. “These numbers are so low because they’re letting the council keep so much of their money.” The settlement isn’t anywhere close to the gravity of the perpetration,” he said. “Should they come out of bankruptcy solvent? In my opinion, no. They gave that right away long ago.”

I volunteered for GSUSA and 100% agree. I was told I could run cookie sales & I declined. At overnights, I have never heard of a man attending. I know one dad that attended an overnight and he had to sleep in his car in the parking lot far away from the girls. My son is also involved with NICA. The adults go through training on youth protection and ensure 2 deep and no one on one. Overnights, parents attend and camp with their kids. BSA seems to be unique to have 11 - 13 year olds (the prime years of abuse) to be without parents camping with adult males. I believe today we have appropriate YPT but I can see in the past why BSA could have a higher incident rate (in terms of youth hours per incident) than many other programs.

This topic is all over the place. That said, the BSA hasn’t listed it’s board for years … well before this bankruptcy. I expect other reasons are driving that. (I do agree that BSA should be listing their board).

Honestly, if he wants a big payout he should just ask to be part of the mediation meetings, sell out the remaining clients and then ask to be paid by BSA for selling them out. Oh, wait, the coalition already took that path.

Lonnie was the sole individual who objected to some other settlements. He was in court and talked through his reasoning. The judge was impressed and thanked him. She said that even though she rules against him she finds it helpful to have claimants present and giving voice to their cause and asked him to keep it up.

With 2 or 3 signatures?

Tanc submits request for discovery in t-minus 10, 9, 8, 7...

I believe tomorrow is the big day in court where the ballot and schedule will be approved, is that correct?

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/2e1a8c44-7812-46a0-8a93-5aa5621dc7b2_6431.pdf This is the latest disclosure. Right now, claims inside the statute of limitations are considered open states (regardless of what state it occurred in). The references you see to grey states are for those claims outside the SOL. This is definitely not legal advice, as @CynicalScouter stated we do our best to talk general aspects of the bankruptcy but cannot give legal advice in specific cases.

@klleboewelcome to scouter.com. I'm so sorry about your son and hope he can recover from this traumatic experience.

I see no way this flys. During the hearing there were several discussions about discovery. The plan hasn’t been confirmed. How can they have a confirmation hearing without this discovery?

That is garbage. Even the judge stated she needed to get through the disclosure so she could move on to discovery. Will be interesting to see how she rules.

Huge news if true. So will the $3500 quick pay be reduced based on state?

The reporter has been following the case and the only questionable thing I see is that $19 comment. The truth is that BSA is asking claimants to settle for far less than the average Catholic Church payout of $268K per abuse claim. They can try to put lipstick on this pig, it’s still a pig. The question is if that pig can get better if the deal is rejected.

Per USA Today… For example, survivors who experienced abuse that did not involve touching, such as being forced to watch porn by a Scout leader, could receive as little as $19. I think these people could still take the $3500 payout, correct? It seems like $3500 would be the floor.