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I would agree, the majority probably have strong state court cases. There is probably a group that is confused and don't realize they are better off with this plan. Finally, there is probably a group that desires the BSA to fail or are looking at alternate paths (such as the global CH 7). I only hope each person voting fully understands the situation and are being properly advised by their lawyers.

Purdue had 120,000 and were able to get 95% on board and the district court rejected the plan. The question .... can you force someone to eliminate their right to due process against a non bankrupt organization through a bankruptcy ruling? Many district judges are saying no. Others say yes ... but only in very unique cases AND it requires overwhelming support. I've struggled to see many cases approved <90%. It doesn't matter if they would be better off or not. It is their right to chose their own path in the legal system. I question if district court was going to allow this before seeing the 85%. That 15% of individuals are rejecting this plan is a major iceberg that could hit in the future. I understand there is no actual # as this is working in the gray area of law ... but I was hoping to see at least 90% to help improve the chances of approval.

Yikes. 85% seems low. I'm still 95% convinced Judge LSS will approve the plan. I expect some minor changes, but she could have easily changed the direction during the RSA hearing. Also, I think bankruptcy judges believe bankruptcy is the best path for compensation and dealing with non debtors. However, that 85% will provide plan opponents some fire power during the district court review. I haven't seen the 3rd circuit district court review/approve a non debtor release since Purdue. I wouldn't be surprised to see plan approval in bankruptcy then kicked back by the district. At some point, it may become BSA only. I think Purdue and BSA are examples 1 and 2 on why bankruptcy should be limited to debtors only. In BSA, there would have been a lot less spent on legal fees. Simply divide up BSA unrestricted assets and move on. Insurance ... settle or let the trust go through the battles. Pulling in non debtors wasted time and resources. Yes, I expect the $ pot grew a lot AND those outside SOLs probably faired better, but at what expense (legal)? Perhaps all will work out in the end, but man, this is some ugly sausage making.

I caught the last 5 mins of the hearing today and it didn't seem like anyone was happy. Did anyone listen to the hearing? Votes were due yesterday ... any update?

Objections coming in again on the plan. US Trustee once again objects and now adds in more concerns about the IR process. 08a0295e-d9b5-49d8-9d9e-714eeea939db_9015.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com)

Could be. It would be interesting how the rates are vetted. Now, if they are charging for labor they didn't use, that is the red flag. Omni is one of the top expenses of the BSA to date.

Omni FRAUD?!? A former employee of Omni is alleging they are charging high fees for lower wage workers. $16 - $20/hour workers are being charged at $80 - $125/hr to BSA. Also claiming they hired 30 temporary workers who did nothing and they charged BSA. Also claims knowledge that the ballot count is incorrect, and COO lied to court. Finally, also claims they did the same in other cases, including USA Gymnastics ba0e24ce-e4d9-42b1-a318-937317f50c1d_8971.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com)

BSA plans an information session for COs. 744039d2-3d37-4750-a3ff-4a65f2a359ef_8904.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com)

BSA's DEI statement. I struggle to see how the statement below would cause anyone to resign. The Boy Scouts of America promotes a culture where each youth, volunteer, and employee feels a sense of belonging and builds communities where every person feels respected and valued. Leading by example and encouraging each other to live by the values expressed by the Scout Oath and Scout Law, we welcome families of all backgrounds to help prepare young people to serve as successful members and leaders of our nation’s increasingly diverse communities.

Getting close on the settlement trustee and some other key names. Microsoft Word - BSA - Notice of Identity - Settlement Trustee and Claims Administrator (to be filed).DOCX (omniagentsolutions.com) Former Judge Michael Reagan - for the independent review process. 19 years on the district court Michael Joseph Reagan - Wikipedia Former Judge Diane Welsh - for the TDPs .. 11 years on the district court. Hon. Diane M. Welsh (Ret.), JAMS Mediator and Arbitrator (jamsadr.com) The Trustee is down to one of these two: Former Judge Barbara Houser - It appears she helped mediate the bankruptcy of Puerto Rico KMBT_C454e-20190604125753 (govdelivery.com) Former Judge David Levi - David F. Levi - Wikipedia - Former dean of Duke Law

Just saw some numbers from my council and was wondering if others are seeing similar trends. Changes from Jan 2020 to Jan 2022. We didn't have many LDS units, and I think they already dropped by Jan 2020. Cub Scouts decreased 15% Scouts BSA decreased 7% Venturing decreased 90% (less than 50 members left in our council) Explorers decreased 28% (less than 60 members in our council) In terms of units Cubscouts lost 18% of units Scouts BSA lost 5% of units Venturing lost 43% of crews Explorers lost 33% of posts Venturing is on life support. Adding girls to Scouts BSA is probably killing venturing. I do think there is potential there, but at least for our council, it is nearly dead. Explorers ... why have this risk for such a small program. Scouts BSA ... doing well all considering, but faced with uncertain future given Cub Scout number To me, the biggest concern right now is Cub Scouts. 15% loss still exists even after a very good recruiting year (and 18% loss of units). That will hit Scouts BSA in a few years. I do expect further recovery and the numbers were really bad Jan 2021. Hopefully BSA can exit bankruptcy and focus on their path forward.

I agree it is definitely not a requirement; however, I will say for those of us in colder climates ... it is tough to camp if you are only willing to camp overnight when it is above 40. That takes out half the year. I think in my Troop, the concern is that just 3 years ago we had 50+ camping in early Feb and now only 2. 100% agree. I would love to see this be the clear messaging to parents and Troops. Unfortunately, I think this message is muddled with too much focus on a binary outcome of scouts with many judging the success on achievement of Eagle. I'm not sure how many Troops buy into this ... hopefully most follow your summary.

Confirmation plan hearing now going to be delayed until March 14th. During court today, per Twitter sources, the US Trustee is asking how this can proceed when trained professionals are struggling to describe the deal. Also questioned how chartered orgs are being handled when many have not been part of discussions. Finally, sounds like some concerns that the "neutral" path currently has $0 in its account. I didn't attend today until late and now just listening in.

I highly recommend watching the TCC townhall from tonight once the recording is released. They went into a lot more details on the various aspects of the plan. Some quick, interesting points. 1) The TCC is now able to reject any new settlement. BSA cannot add a new settlement to the plan without TCC approval. 2) The only COs currently protected before 1976 are the UMC and LDS. 3) Most of the money that will go into the neutral ($20K trial) path will come from excess insurance companies. These companies didn't settle and provide insurance after the primary pays out. The belief is that by going down this special path, the excess ins. companies will either settle or have to pay out. 4) BSA must tell local councils which youth protection policy changes they rejected. 5) IV files most likely will not be fully released. Dr. Kennedy explained that there are a lot of non sex abuse members listed in there, also non validated claims. No one wants to be sued. So, it will take a lot of time and redactions. Something will be released, but limited. 6) Individuals can sue non settled COs 1 year after plan confirmation. That gives COs some time to reach a settlement with the trust.

It's interesting. I had a conversation with a dad at Klondike and he said Scouts has become too easy. He thinks Scouts would actually have more members if we increased the outdoor requirements (such as the ones you listed above). More hiking, camping requirements. I'm not sure if it would increase membership, but I think it could provide more value to those who are members.

The problem is with Citizenship in the Society and a ton of focus on online merit badge classes ... BSA is headed in the opposite direction. There are a few kids that seem to love this new direction and soak up these online merit badge classes but won't camp outside often (just enough to advance). My klondike experience was sad. Basically a day event only. Camp was empty at night. Yes, some of that is Covid ... but the momentum of an outdoor program is fading. Even the Troops who cabin camp left. Older scouts in my Troop told the younger ones that camping out in the cold is "miserable". We had 50+ scouts & adults camping just 3 years ago. 400+ across all Troops. Now, empty ... probably less than 50 across the entire district. My question ... does BSA see the future as online MBs, day events and heavy classroom based Eagle requirements OR outdoor, open play to gain skills (and thus advance).

Agree with the comments above. My son races NICA and is working on his mountain bike merit badge. There are various features (roots, rock, etc.), dual and single track, much of it in the woods. There are climbs and descents, etc. I would say this is mountain biking. I wouldn't count his flat, straight trail ride ... which they do for fitness ... as mountain biking.

Status conference scheduled for Friday. BSA - Agenda for Feb 18 Hearing (omniagentsolutions.com)

Amended Chapter 11 Plan Third Modified Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan Exhibit(s) Notice of Filing of Debtors' Third Modified Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan of Reorganization and Blackline Thereof (related document(s)6443, 7832, 8813) Filed by Boy Scouts of America. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1 (the redline Plan)) (Topper, Paige) Plan SupplementNotice of Filing of Fourth Amended Plan Supplement to Third Modified Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan of Reorganization for Boy Scout of America and Delaware BSA, LLC (related document(s)6443, 7515, 7832, 7953, 8647, 8813) Filed by Boy Scouts of America Exhibit(s) Notice of Filing of Exhibits I-1 and J-1 to Debtors' Third Modified Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan of Reorganization and Redlines Thereof (related document(s)8813) Filed by Boy Scouts of America. Exhibit(s) Notice of Filing of Exhibits I-2, I-3, I-4 and J-2 to Debtors' Third Modified Fifth Amended Chapter 11 Plan of Reorganization (related document(s)8813) Filed by Boy Scouts of America.

Within Scouting, barriers to abuse is effective when followed. I think the number of abused has dropped off from the peak and most Troops & Packs are safe. For the most part, I think the YP changes in the bankruptcy will further help. However, one of my concerns, long term, is the Explorer program. Given the number of youth in the program, it seems to have an outsized number of abused. Explorer+Scout+national+abuse.pdf (squarespace.com) Ohio Explorer scouts among sex abuse victims (news5cleveland.com) Lawsuit alleges sexual abuse of Police Explorers in 1980s by ex-Irvine sergeant – Orange County Register (ocregister.com) Dozens of Teenage Boy Scout Explorers Have Been Sexually Abused by Cops; Should Scouts Share the Blame? | News | Phoenix | Phoenix New Times | The Leading Independent News Source in Phoenix, Arizona To me, Explorers is not a key part of BSA's mission (along with Learning for Life). These programs should be spun off as separate organizations. Continuing these programs under BSA puts the entire mission at risk. I would think BSA should focus on Scouting (Cub, Scouts BSA, Venturing & Sea).

Yes. My understanding is that there are no changes to the TDP route from the current plan.

I think the only councils that would be 100% on board are those that are likely to go into bankruptcy if that National plan falls through. Even for my council, at some point it may be better to just let national go under and save as much money as possible. There is definitely a balancing act. I agree ... if BSA asks for a big payment to continue, it would probably go through the Ad Hoc committee.

No, none. A few references to Chapter 7 but not by BSA and only in passing. The ~$2.7B initially. The trustee would be empowered to go after non settled chartered orgs, non-settled insurance companies (national BSA insurance, LC insurance and it sounds like CO insurance). The Roman Catholics are VERY upset that the non-settled COs have their own insurance now targeted with this plan. They have 3 paths. $3500 or TDP just like previous. TDP requires more documentation and the trustee (designee) would determine payout based on TDP scales. The 3rd path is the neutral. A party (likely retired judge) would basically oversee a trial. The claimant would have to provide $20K + a ton of documentation. They would have to be examined by a psychologist (possibly). Sit through cross examination from lawyers (probably from insurance companies). After this "trial" the "neutral" would determine liability and damages as if it were a state case. Then, the claimant would get 100% of those damages. Up to $1M would come directly from the trust. Everything over $1M would come from the excess trust fund that is collected from the groups I mentioned in your 2nd question. I think basically everything is sold (trademarks, property, etc.). Then claimants are paid after secured debtors are paid. I doubt LCs would be pulled in. To me, if this plan doesn't go through this path there are two options. Option 1 - Chapter 7 Option 2 - BSA charges all LCs an assessment. Perhaps $500K each, one time charge. If you can't afford it, merge with another council. Lets say half councils merge, they would get $62.5M ... enough to probably last 6 more months in bankruptcy.

I'll be blunt. Most COs provid almost nothing to the program. The Methodist just released a joint statement with the BSA that they are on board and working on a new chartered organization agreement language. BSA just needs a way to have units charter with councils (like Girl Scouts) and for the most part they will be fine. That said, losing the Catholic Churches would definitely hurt. My unit already discussed and we would prefer no CO over our current one. They provide no meeting space, no money, are tough to find to sign off on leaders and charters.

I think the costs drop substantially by end of March. Since the TCC, FCR will likely not appeal, their costs should almost go to $0. Even the costs in district/appeals court should be a lot less (no voting to pay for, etc.). Looking at the history, early on they were spending at times less than $1M per month. I could see us return to $1-$2M per month vs $10M right now. However, if this plan is rejected ... I am VERY concerned. I think this is the last swing of the bat.