Eagle1993

During Kosnoff’s deposition Tancred brought up a question about Chartered Organizations and the BSA. Kosnoff actually had a lawsuit against the BSA dismissed as the BSA argued that chartered organizations are the ones ultimately responsible for the units and therefore they should not be liable for sex abuse. The judge agreed. To me, that should have been the warning to all charter orgs. Now, in that case, the charter orgs were defunct so the claimants had no where to go … but it showed that BSA was willing to use charter org agreements as cover when needed. While Kosnoff mentio

My guess is that most LCs are focused on rechartering units. The bankruptcy is a concern, but right now it’s in a holding pattern and they have other more pressing issues to tend to.

Very well said.

Based on some info I found, it sounds like lawyers likely have an idea where the vote is headed. I'm not sure the BSA mass deposition requests mean the vote is headed to failing. I expect both sides are preparing for both passing/failing votes. Remember, BSA needs overwhelming support. So, they will fight to try and get as many reject votes thrown out. That said, if you listened to Kosnoff's deposition, it is clear there is a ton of focus on approval votes and coalition law firm's use of their own eBallot. Finally, there is still the investigation into the vetting of claims

It is definitely not allowed and I have never seen it. You can’t even take alcohol on a camp property even if it is a private family rental. Smoking is not allowed around scouts either.

I think that could be argued for post 1975. The question is what is the value of that insurance once these insurance settlements are coming through. Now, prior to 1975 there was no insurance being provided.

We had more interest from women then men for our Philmont trip. We had 3 women go with two crews. We also have several women go to our summer camps. When I took over my pack, there were zero women adult leaders and only 24 scouts. I reached out to moms and built up a core of women leaders and our pack expanded greatly. I do agree in general men are more interested in camping; however, I have found plenty of women are as well. You have to find them, talk with them directly and make an environment where they feel welcome and then more and more will join and help. It

For non-debtor releases, when they are allowed in certain courts, this article mentions 5 rules that must be met. (i) the identity of interests between the debtor and the third party, such that a suit against the non-debtor is akin to a suit against the debtor due to, for example, an indemnity obligation that may deplete the debtor’s assets; This could be argued in both chartered orgs and local councils. If chartered orgs are sued over scouting activities post bankruptcy, I would expect they would point to the indemnity obligation BSA has in protecting them. I think the court wou

I would agree; however, state courts can decide this for COs. Note that Kosnoff has had a case dismissed against the BSA and local councils as, in the court's words, Chartered Organizations are responsible for units. So, he was to sue the chartered orgs; however, in that case, the Chartered Orgs were defunct, so no one was left to sue. So, BSA/Local councils ... in court ... stated that chartered orgs were ultimately responsible for units (and the court agreed in that case). Now, if chartered orgs state they cannot be held liable ... who should be held liable?

Novak is Trump. McMahon is Clinton. Delaware seems to have 4 judges, two Obama and two Trump. Im not sure it matters much in this case. I could see both sides upset if bankruptcy courts are going outside the law.

Judge Novak, based on a case he is seeing, is now questioning releases in District 4. I agree, very interesting and it seems to be dynamic.

Here is an interesting example from an AIS claimant. a2b61c74-2f4c-406e-8faf-d84d603035d9_8027.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com) They started with a no vote using eBallot, on Dec 8th. Changed to yes on December 20th after he was told by KR's firm he would receive $0 if he voted no (I don't think that is true). The firm then told him he would receive >$3500 if he voted yes even after all fees. Now, the abuser was his father ... so I wonder how BSA is liable at all. Since his father was also his Scoutmaster? Is this even a valid claim? Then there is this confused individu

That said, I think Zalkin is preparing a major line of attack against yes votes from the Coalition. Kosnoff’s deposition focused on their questionable tactics and their custom eBallot. Silverstein has disqualified yea votes in the past, she may again. 100% agree. I think if she sees 95% yes votes she will jump on this plan. If she doesn’t, then she may be aggressive in the other direction.

FYI. Voting deadline is now closed. All votes must be in by now.

No, but there was this big vote dump. All of these 100+ voted yes. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/a2bf89a1-0b09-4300-8a8b-78a14ef26e63_7988.pdf If this is any indication of master ballots, you might see thousands of yes votes pour in from these law firms.

I’m not a lawyer but my read based on articles and some good analysis from various legal feeds. Even though it is a different circuit, if McMahon is correct in terms of Bankruptcy law, it would seem to be applicable. Don’t forget another judge (Novak 4th circuit) is questioning non debtor releases in district courts. We may be seeing district courts across the board enforce bankruptcy courts to stay in their lane. Silverstein really wants to know where the claimants are in terms of this plan. If this plan sees >95% yes, then I expect she will want to find a way forward. She

Voting is hours away from closing out. (If you are a voting entity ... get your votes in!). So, there is an updated schedule likely to be approved very soon. I found it interesting that in this case, the Debtors (BSA) and the TCC agreed to this update but the Coalition wasn't listed. 52ca7b40-5212-4b83-ba83-bde81e2d737e_7973.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com) Dec 29 Deadline to serve discovery on voting, settlements Jan 4 Preliminary voting report Jan 5 Rebuttal expert reports due Jan 7 Deadline to serve responses/objections to

It seems clear that Patterson (I believe representing Zalkin) dug deep into the Coalition confusion and especially the eBallot and voting. I expect this could come up again when reviewing voting results from coalition law firms. Century (Tanc) asked a ton of wide ranging questions. I still have an hour left but so far, most of the interest was in the signing/vetting of claims. He also identified a case where Kosnoff lost where a judge indicated that charted orgs have the primary liability not BSA. We are less than 24 hours until voting closes out. If I were to bet, I

Kosnoff uploaded his full deposition. I’m listening while working on my bathroom remodel. Interesting background on the formation of AIS and the Coalition. The coalition apparently started with a plan to litigate the separation of LCs vs National (they were planning to argue that it was one big entity). That switches when tort lawyers joined in whose goal was fast settlements. Also, per Kosnoff, Rothweiler took out loans to pay for litigation, spent more than their line of credit then signed over some of their settlement proceeds to Wall Street. Kosnoff indicated he was asked by these fi

@melissabjacoby tweeted that the BSA ballot (22 pages) is not fitting in the supplied envelope. 5 non-consecutive pages require signatures. Note that other forms of voting are allowed but this issue may come up later if ballots are not received.

Locking this for Christmas. Merry Christmas and hope you have a wonderful day.

I think there are multiple types of lawyers involved. I have seen lawyers who seem to know their claimants well, understand their case, vetted their claim, kept them updated and are fighting for them in all aspects. I respect those lawyers and have no issue with them. Then there are lawyers who trolled the internet to build a large group of claimants, have no clue and likely don’t care about their claims and are simply trying to get a settlement so they can charge their large fees while doing minimal work for individual claimants. I wish those lawyers never got involved in this case.

If I were voting, I would cast my vote with Omni. I would then check to see how my final vote was recorded. If my lawyer switched my vote, I would complain to the court, complain to the bar and look for lawyers who sue other lawyers. What is being alleged in these letters is just wrong.

Great story about a scout not earning Eagle. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2021/12/08/proof-that-earning-eagle-isnt-the-only-sign-of-a-successful-scouting-experience

This is what she did in a similar case. It was felony rape, sexual assaults, etc. https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-542878--,00.html