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  1. Can anyone find an unambiguous statement from BSA on anything? Again, if it's better for a troop to basically disband rather than run counter to their COs views, why shouldn't pro-gays get out rather than try to change BSA?
  2. I've asked my troop to do this for years, the SM doesn't see the point. He's pretty dumb, so I never expected him to do it in the first place.
  3. NJ, he's saying he'd welcome them in without the slightest question, not that he would rip their arm off aggressively. It's funny he'd do that, because that's exactly what happened when 3 gay men applied to start that troop out of the blue, were made SM and ASMs against the advice of the council because they were unknowns, then turned it into a national sex/porn trafficking ring. In "society today," all categories of violent crimes are at 1950s levels —a person today is less likely to be raped, murdered, assaulted, etc. than they have been since Leave it to Beaver was on TV. Ga
  4. They understand the issue, but instead of attempting to curtail it, they hand out condoms. Maybe we should just make condoms available to any boys who find themselves tenting with a gay Scout and all Venturers. After all, 25% of new HIV infections are among 13-24-y-olds, gay and bisexual men are increasing their share of new infections while new infections overall are stable, and gay males account for 54% of total infections despite being just 4% of the population. Just like us indeed. My male pal's GSUSA troop often needs him to come camping with their troop to make the trips happen, a
  5. Yeah, that was my next suggestion. Our council has all the DVDs for troops to borrow. If you use the DVD, you don't have to worry about the video buffering in the middle of the thing, but I doubt you'll be able to get everyone in the same room at once to watch it all together (maybe during a troop meeting in a side room).
  6. BSA prohibits co-ed sleeping arrangements precisely because the assumption is that sexual tensions are high, men and women are attracted to each other, and it is inappropriate for the opposite sex to share sleeping, bathing, or RR facilities. Yet BSA explicitly states that gay youth are not to be separated from males. Again, it's all willful placing of a political aim above practical sense. If there is no reason to separate gay members from the same sex, there is no reason to separate straight members from the opposite sex. If it is "hateful," "ignorant," "bigoted," "prejudiced" or whatev
  7. I've heard that several times over the past few years, but I've never seen a way to make it happen on my.scouting.org or myscouting.org.
  8. That really gets under my skin. I think anyone who is honest agrees, which is why it is baffling that Scouts UK and Canada are so enthusiastic about it. It's too bad I hurt CambridgeSkip's feelings via reductio ad absurdum by pointing out that Scouts UK's enthusiasm for these events is disgusting, I'm sure he could have explained it. Nevertheless, American Scouters (who should be cashiered) have already been taking Scouts to pride parades against all good judgement (because they are of poor character) and against BSA regulations, and next year you will see Scouts at pride parades in dr
  9. You're both in earnest: No pro-inclusion person here can give any explanation as to why Scouts should be at gay pride parades. And that's just about all I need to know about the pro-inclusion element.
  10. You're incorrect, I censored the photo before re-posting it. Neither of you has attempted to explain why Scouts should participate in activities like those photos, but those photos shouldn't be in view of Scouts. If you find the behavior of these people in their cultural showcase to be wholly inappropriate, why do you want them to register in your unit so badly?
  11. So that you know what the national body of Scouts Canada deemed appropriate for Scouting, but some pro-inclusion guy in New Jersey finds inappropriate to Scouting, here is a censored version of what Scouts Canada exposed Duncan to, who appears to be maybe 12. (Photo removed by Packsaddle) [Edit by Packsaddle: Scouter99, this is a public forum. Boy Scouts have access to it, actually much wider access than some parade someplace, and YOU have deliberately subjected Boy Scouts to those very same images that you think are bad for them. You are entitled to your own personal views and you are en
  12. And I must note I find the most complete hilarity in a group of grown men who can't bear, as "crude," the mention of sex, gay sex, virility, pubescence, etc. but who are rah-rah homosexuality. These same men, doubtless, would have no problem with Scouts at a pride parade, but not allow a Scout to swim in Speedos, or Arrowman to wear a loincloth.
  13. What's shocking about a statement of fact and why would you expect the moderators to sanction a statement of fact? I am upset about the change because I know that it places youth in direct harm. What offends you is the truth. You refuse to face the truth of homosexuality because you must deny the truth to promote inclusivity—the youth are sacrificed to a political goal that has nothing to do with Scouting. Do you want to know where the very first homosexual scandal happened in Scouting? It happened at the very beginning: Gilwell Park. The camp doctor, Robert Patterson, was dismisse
  14. BSA didn't already have 80 years' worth of files on women who had sex with Scouts when they made that decision.
  15. No, I'm upset because they're going to be having sex with the Scouts.
  16. You can't be in earnest here. You don't actually think that employees are "the public at large" do you? You do understand that no one forces anyone to work at any particular place? Any employer—religious or secular—does not force their values on any employee, because employees choose their employers. The exact opposite of what you're saying is happening: The public, through its (barely) representative government, is forcing its ideals on a private entity, in this case Little Sisters. But let's not get complicated, because if your honest starting point is that you think Little Sisters,
  17. Waste of money for our youth, so the troop doesn't do them. I wear mine. Young face, got tired of being asked what rank I am, or why my rank wasn't on my uniform, at 27. Service stars help.
  18. Gay SM Richard Halverson, 49 yrs old (17-yr-old son) http://documents.latimes.com/richard-stanley-halvorsen/ Gay ASM Harry Cramer, 19 yrs old http://documents.latimes.com/harry-cramer/ Gay ASM Ray Woodall, 30 yrs old http://documents.latimes.com/raymond-woodall/ A Perfect Place New Orleans, Louisiana October 1974 Boyle, Patrick (2013-07-22). Scout's Honor: Sexual Abuse in America's Most Trusted Institution (Kindle Locations 1134-1138). Kindle Edition. Fittingly enough, this all happened at a Presbyterian church, whose leadership had been warned by the council that not enough wa
  19. Local option is best, it ensures that the boys who get seduced are the sons of the people who wanted gay leaders there.
  20. edit: In light of your clarification that she's not registered, then this is very much more simple. Just tell her to stay away for X amount of time, or forever. I agree with @@eagle77 that you have to get out front of this (too late, the kids all told their parents their versions already) but I don't think you need to call a meeting of the entire troop's families to do that. The way you communicate to them that this was unacceptable to the troop leadership and won't happen again is by showing them. A gigantic meeting is grandstanding and unnecessary, and will become a circus when half
  21. 1/3 of GSUSA camps are slated for sale amidst rampant mergers of bankrupt councils with a 25% member loss over the past decade for a short list of reasons, here's one.
  22. We can't delete posts, anymore Without knowing the nature/severity of the situation, he's making a PC argument that the sexes and sexualities of the two youth don't matter because it would be just as much a Youth Protection issue for a girl to do the same things to a boy as it would be if it were two boys. Again, all we know is that something was said accompanied by a touch. We don't know what actually happened in terms of the "touch" that made the Scout "uncomfortable" but everyone knows that of course perception matters here. If a girl tousled a boy's hair and said he was cute,
  23. At camp several years ago, we had an analogous situation where a fruity kid in our troop was being harassed by an older boy from another troop while we were at summer camp. Basically, the boy was ironically cat-calling the boy in our troop to embarrass him. The boys came to us when the bully went so far as to pull our Scout into his lap, hug and pet him, to make a spectacle. We informed the Camp Director, who immediately removed the boy from the camp program (confined him to his troop's site) while he discussed the issue with that troop's leadership and the boy; who was then kicked out of c
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