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I have tried several times to make a profile and it is probably because I am working from a Library computer. So that all may know my profile, I post it here. Right now, I live in Battle Creek, MI, USA. Born in l960. Eagle Scout from Monterey Bay Council. Started in the Boy Scouts before the big revision in the seventies. Entered the U.S. Marine Corps in l978. Visited all of Asia onboard USS CORAL SEA. Participated in the Iranian-Contingency operation in l981. (Failed Rescue raid into Iran.) After discharge, left for Europe where I lived for 4 years in many countries. Did

Fun. Do you not think that maybe you are giving a false impression of life. Are you really preparing them for life? Is real life about having fun? When you habituate older boys that every thing has got to be "fun", I think sends a wrong answer. Military boot camp is not about fun. Doing most labor is not fun. I was at college when a college professor said the same thing in this message. "let them have fun". When you expect people to behave like kids they will remain kids. The Boy Scout program is about growing up. Not maintaining childishness. This is setting a bad preced

Or....Have the webmaster open a new section called philosophy and move my posts there and I'll move into and won't bother you any. Deal.

Well, I looked all over the official BSA website and didn't find any links to websites. Do you know the message board of the high mucky mucks? Maybe I should be speaking to them. Maybe, I'm on the wrong board. So, if you know where that is, point me in that direction.

Why because truth is dirupting your world?

(This is a response in our group that Philosophy is not a science and that creationism is not scientific, has no merit and no value.) This is in regards to what the job of Philosophy is. The following quotes are taken from Introduction of Philosophy by Jacques Maritain. This book is used in quite a few Roman Catholic seminaries around the world. I read this first in Rome. Pg 60. Philosophy is not a wisdom of conduct or practical life that consists in acting well. It is a wisdom whose nature consists essentially in knowing. Ibid. Philosophy , therefore is a science. I

Go to the Political section and read the post "Socrates: Culture defines Politics". The Point??? Do you want life or Death? And how we train boys is the difference. Do we train them to the easy life or to the hard?

Socrates in the Republic: Must we not acknowledge, I said, that in each of us there are the same principles and habits which there are in the state; and that from the individual they pass into the state?how else can they come there? (1) Do you know, I said, that governments vary as the dispositions of men vary, and that there must be as many of the one as there are of the other? For we cannot suppose that States are made of oak and rock, and not out of the human natures which are in them, and which in a figure turn the scale and draw other things after them? (2) for as the government

Is that what life is FUN? What is the essence of life? What is life all about?

Who was protesting the war in Vietnam? The weak? Who dropped the virtue "The Scout is Loyal" when North Vietnam invaded the south and killed many of our former allies? WHO DID WE LEAVE TWISTING IN THE WIND TO THEIR FATE? Once our withdrawal from SW Asia, Pol Pot took control and killed one million of his people thanks to the College academia of California that in Willie Browns words fomented the anti-war movement and "leaders?" in Congress passed an amendment saying that we could no longer help the South Vietnamese. Between the ages of 13 and 15, I cried when Saigon fell and when we could

Plato The Republic, Translator B. Jowett, M.A., Vintage Books, pg 151 (435) Nay, rather, Socrates, the proverb holds that hard is the good. Ibid pg52 (364) The universal voice of mankind is always declaring that justice and virtue are honourable, but grievous and toilsome; and that the pleasures of vice and injustice are easy of attainment, Ibid pg53 (364) Vice may be had in abundance without trouble; the way smooth and her dwelling-place is near. But before virtue the gods of have set toil. (Socrates quoting Hesiod, Works and Days, 287) Matthew 7:13-14 Enter

Your boy is truly a Spartan. The Boy Scouts, in a sublimenal way, are based on the Spartans. He needs to read about them. Both Socrates and Plato, even though they were Ionian Greeks and Athenians, were philo-Spartans. Xenophon, an Athenian gentleman, went to live with the Spartans. You will love the following extract: "Puberty rituals are mainly an enactment of the psychological separation that the boy must achieve from his mother. The three stages that van Gennep identified, seperation, transition, and incorporation are visible in these ceremonies." (The Church Impotent, The

The information is there. I learned most of my stuff from Kurt Von Leddihn a German Aristocrat that lived and knows this stuff. Words and ideas are dangerous, they mean things. I have been posting on another website and the more I wrote, the more I came to see that my writings have a bearing on the BSA. We are in a cultural war. I am an Eagle Scout and a Former Marine. I have been searching a long time for the BSA message board and I found this. Let's get the discussion going.

Did you not learn something? Tell me, you knew all this information already? Is not the first law of the scout law to be "TRUSTWORTHY"? How many of your boys in your boy scout troop think and are taught that we live in a democracy? How many boys have a FALSE knowledge? Are we not to be "TRUSTWORTHY" to our state and heritage? Does the requirements on citizenship say democracy or republic?

What are my issues? Right now, the Boy Scouts of America are under attack. Why??? Have you done anything wrong? Philosophy undergrids everything. Without understanding the whys and hows of things we lose understanding and then we drop things we shouldn't have. Is there not a lot of false information out there. (I was just corrected in another post and I learned something.) What I'm doing is giving you ammunition to understand the philosophical basis of what Baden Powell took for granted that many Americans today don't know. This is about giving you an intellectual ba

I stand corrected. Thank you. I have learned something also.

Please say the Pledge of Allegiance to yourself. "I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands..." A Republic is not a democracy. Democracy is not a Republic. A Republic is not a parliamentary Democracy. A Republic is not a Constitutional Democracy. A Republic is not a representative Democracy. Nowhere in the classics do Plato, Aristotle, Polybius or Cicero use these terms interchangeably. Nowhere in the Federalist papers is democracy looked upon with favor. It is a REPUBLIC that our Christian Founding Fathers i

Captured in 1919 by World War I American Forces from a Communist Party office were documents on how to secure Germany for Communism. The first thing mentioned was To destroy the ruggedness of the People. (Plato said, The beginning of truth is to wonder.) Now, ask yourself WHY? Please notice what is missing from the following extracts: NEW BIBLES Nestle-Aland Greek-English New Testament 26th edition l979 (Used as textbook in Roman Catholic Seminaries.) 1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immor

Find an old field manuals and give them to him. Give him a potato and a half of chicken and have him run out there and cook it for himself for dinner. Learn how to lash. Have him learn to track animals and give reports of their trails and habitats. Have him give a botanical record of all that is in your backyard. A census of animals. Have him work for farmers. Give him Plutarch's Lives to read. Have him read Herodotus. Give him the classics to read. Your boy has a strong masculine bent in him. The 'love' of the old is a sign of it. Encourage it. He is also pulling away fro

This thread was spun from another thread.This is excerpted from a 1948 Boy Scout Field Manual, pg 469 (It is as is and the title below is original) MENTALLY awake! in everything you do or think-- thats part of our Scout Oath. What you make of yourself depends to a large extent on your mental alertness. Have you an inquiring mind? Do you learn something new each day, think out a new way of doing old things? The boy who is mentally awake has more adventure in a day than a dull boy has in a month. He gets more out of life - and he gives more to other people. Whats more, he is on

The title "Lord" Baden-Powell signifies that he was an aristocrat. He was also an officer in the British Military. Officers only came from the aristocracy. Second, equality is a socialist term. Equality is a metaphysical term that can not be applied to nature. The verb that precedes 'equality' is 'make'. Nothing in nature is equal. Ever worked on a diary farm. Even the female cows line up in an hierarchical line. Ever heard of the "pecking order". Every farmer who has chickens knows this. The only time equality is used is when 'make' precedes it and it has fascist overtones to i

I read a biography of Baden Powell. He was in the military and he saw a need that men have to be trained as soldiers. Boot camp does not make a soldier and the city people being conscripted into the British military were not ready for the campaigns or the military life. Don't forget Baden-Powell grew up in Victorian England as an aristocrat and Victorian England's culture was based on the Classics especially the ancient Greeks. He was formed by this classical culture.

There has to be consequences for bad behavior. This is not, as someone said earlier about not doing a demonstration. Cheffy said, "Many". This was across the board deceivement by all involved. The person signing should lose all opportunities in the future to sign off on any body's requirements. The boy in question should lose his badge and be required to "earn" them. Enron, Tyco, and many other institutions are failing because of the lack of virtue. The recent Wall Street debacles are a good example of the lack of virtue and people turning a blind eye to corruption.

Put a girl on an island and she will come close to becoming a woman. The girl can attain a substantial amount of womanhood without training. Womanhood for girls comes naturally. It is different for a boy. A boy must be taught to be a man. Manhood doesnt come naturally to a boy. Any boy doesnt know what it means to be a man. Everything must be learned. This process is called Paideia. One of the subjects of Paideia is the training of a boy to be a man. This particular theme is called Virtue. What is Virtue? This word comes from the Latin. Well, what are the first three letters