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  1. as much as I hate fos presentations, let us not forget lisabob that the united way just this week cut $25,000 in funding to the scouts in our county. so sadly I think we will all be dealing with a lot more fos bull. I also found it interesting that in the last 5 years we have been receiving $25,000 a year, as the girl scouts have been getting $40,000. whats up with that?
  2. I have never asked to be rembursed for fuel but with prices now over 4 bucks its geting kinda hard. a boy pays $30 to go on a campout. then I spend $85 geting him to and from camp, plus I normaly pull the trailer. I wont stop camping but its geting pricey
  3. Well our new DE started on the 5th, I think that this being her first job will help her as she has no preconceptions and hopefully will be able to adapt to how bowersox runs his office. I also think that this new hire will hopefully help the venturing program as this new DE is of the female persuasion. Although she does have a hard road ahead of her because this council has a long history of new DEs only lasting a couple months and the job she is filling was last held by a long standing scouting veteran and senior DE in the office. All I can say is good luck to her and look forwa
  4. I my self am trained and encourage all to attend and take training to heart. however in this case lets keep the line were it belongs. as moraly correct as this all sounds, and as much as I agree with you. It is Opinion. training although it may be good and needed in cases is not a requirement or standard for any type of insurance or liability protection. and again maybe I'm wrong? but thats what all of this seems to point to.
  5. its true I have spent some time in the up. thanks for the support beav and I think your right its all going to come down to how much the guys really want to do. I'm willing to follow them any were. lisabob: common miss information on the pot trail. the potowatomi is a 17 mile loop waterloo-pinkney is a 36 mile straight shot between the headquarters of the two parks. also there are around 15 miles of other trails in the pinkney rec. all trails easily accessed from Camp munhacke of the great salk trail.
  6. a GOAL, yes its true I can not spell should have spell checked. typed it to fast. our troop is currently looking at starting a venture patrol to try to keep our older scouts involved. there is intrest from the boys and one GOAL I would have IS to LET them plan the events themselfs.
  7. "or not attending the related training" my question still remains. is that in the policy or is it opinion?
  8. ahhh see that makes so much more sense. I apoligize for goin off on you there, spellings not always my strong suit. but yes the goal is to have them plan the events themselfs. curently in the troop the boys tell the camping chair were they want to go and then he makes the reservations and the boys plan the outing. what I want for this project is to have the boys do it all, in hopes that we can carry that over to the troop level to remove the adult from the equation.
  9. I highly disagree with the actions of this troop but dont you think you over simplifying just a bit. I think or well atleast I hope that they see the bigger picture now. not sure how dissbanding is going to help anyone.
  10. the gole as oge put it, would be to get some of our older scouts 16 and above to attend our monday night meetings. we find that after a scout gets his eagle we see them less and less. so the gole would be to have somthng to peek the older boys intrest in scouting agen and have something for the younger boys to look forward to. that is how it was relayed to me from our sm. my goal for the program is more simple. I love to camp, and I find that sometimes we ask alot of our older boys in the teaching role. my reason for signing on to this was to give the guys a few campouts a year where they
  11. yes I know about venture crews but no thats not what Im talking about, we have lost some boys to crews and I myself was a member of a crew for a time. but what the spls Idea that he has asked us adults to help him with are just sepret weekend outings for the older members of the troop. with a focas on more adventurus activitys from the car camping we do with the troop. I know there are other troops out there doing this as I have had several of you camp at my scout camp. dont get me wrong im still not sure how I feal about this type of a program in that the proper thing for these boys
  12. thats true bob, there is a diffrence and thats what I like about the bsa policy. just becuse you are wearing the uniform does not mean you are automaticly coverd. some people tend to forget that. and as far as training being a large part of due diligence I have to strongly agree but for refrince, is that policy or opinion?
  13. our troop is currently looking at starting a venture patrol to try to keep our older scouts involved. there is intrest from the boys and one gole I would have it to have them plan the events themselfs. but on that same note, what types of activitys are your venture patrols doing. we are looking to avoid the national high adventure activitys to keep them open for all of our scouts. rather we are looking for weekend campouts in the michagin and the surounding area.
  14. carl is a geat guy and it is good to hear that he is doing well, just as an update on camp teetonkah for the rest of the story. Im not sure where budget cut idea came from as we hired a new full time rangerlast augest 8 months after carl was let go. the yearly camp usege has incresed ten fold, improvments have been made. a first class program and trail to eagle workshop was held last summer and a full scale boy scout summer camp is in the works for the 2010 camping season.
  15. and I know it depends on a lot of things, but your telling me that there is no base pay, then more money based on experience?
  16. ok so 16 year old, is a boy scout, was a cub. no camp staff exp. good with knots, loves to shoot guns, has lifesaveing merit badge. rifle and shot gun+ archery merit badge. with references from scoutmaster, paster and former employer. like some family owned business. or here is one of my actual applicants, Arron is 16, he is aspl at his troop. no job experience, but is a BSA lifeguard. has references from asm, teacher, and city police officer. how much would you pay each of these guys
  17. now dont get me wrong here bob, I like you I will read somthing you post even when the toic doesnt peek my intrest, you have a good point of veiw. its true though you do come off as trying to be the final athourity alot. and sometimes you do miss the point, although I think I do that alot to. for example dan used the word perception 7times in his post but for some reason even though he made it clear that he was not going on facts he still got shot down on the basis of facts. fealing have alot to do with the way you sound to, and I dont meen yours. it is easy to dumb after reading one of y
  18. what is your base pay for a 16 year old. im not looking for a job just intrsted in how your csrc compares to the one run at my camp.
  19. true, I do have that right. I guess this thead just came off a bit cocky, in my I opinon it shouldent be about having the last word, more about geting the correct answer to the question asked. I guess its the phrase "I got the last word" that kinda turned me off to this from the start. an arguments an argument but I could care less who gets the last word as long as the issue is finished
  20. no this thread is about bob once agene geting the last word. its not that I have a problem with him I like reading bobs posts, he seems to know his stuff and he and I tend to agree. the only criticizing thing I could say is that sometimes it is a bit agrivating when people go completly off topic to get the last word, or are less than frendly about geting the last word and wind up just pissing someone off. and im talking about all of us not just bob. so no I do not like this thread it makes me angry that someone would care how many times they got the last word, what are we all ten and need
  21. of corse at the least to protect your self and the boys its always best to have someone trained in youth protection on the campouts. it can be done online and it doesnt take long.
  22. Im no insurence expert but what I do know is that as long as you are in complince with the guide to safe scouting, the bsa million doller policy is suppost to cover you. Ive never hurd of training being involved in coverige. the national office noraly makes it a point of directing you to your local council for answers to questions although they will answer sometimes. however at the bottom of the scouting safely section on the national web site scouting.org there is a place to e-mail questions specific to health, safety, or risk management to the national council.
  23. unless he has a valid medical problem and has been granted amended requierments, it is not up to the sm or bor to over look the camping requierment. I guess I did not realize lieing was one of the 12 points of the scout law.
  24. I dont want to come off as telling you to take away his rank. he already has second class weather he deserved it or not. all im saying is that there is no reason to advance a scout to keep him in scouting. a boy can have just as much fun at tenderfoot as one at second or first class. if you have a program it should keep him involved. If he wants to advance in rank, then I guess hes going to have to get dad to help him to convice mommy to let him camp.
  25. i know , but it was worth saying. its just like the high school kids who cant do long division. who are we realy helping?
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