SouthPoleScout

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I think even the literature lists a blood drive as more of a routine community service ~ not really up to the standards of an "EAGLE" project. If theres a boy in your group that was thinking of a blood drive, see if you can get him to do something a little more challenging. Maybe something more substantial like a drive to get new books for the school library....

by Daniel Carter Beard

My soon is a teenager now, but I sure wish I had this book when he was a bit younger! Even so he seems interested in some of the projects in it.

I didn't realize the involvement the author had with scouting http://www.bwcbsa.org/History/daniel_carter.htm

Do any of you own this and/or the other outdoorsy books he wrote?

And a quick question I have not yet been able to answer.... another parent asked me about "racial slurs" in the book?! I'm guessing maybe there were some references that would be non-PC in todays world...but I haven't come across them yet. Any thoughts?

I still think its a great little book.

just another twist here...

If the expectant parent were a young man, would this even be an issue?

Probably not.

Just my 2 cents - I think that its great you're keeping your volunteer. She may not have made all the 'right' decisions, but I don't see where volunteering is a bad example. I don't see where offering to help youth in your off time is a bad example. What I do see (from what little you said) is someone trying to find the right course in life... kudos to you for helping.

I'd rather see them there with umbrellas than at home!

I'm a military guy myself - so I can see your point. And in my neck of the woods only tourists use umbrellas... most scouts know to take their rain gear *everywhere*.... but, you cant see that nifty scout uniform through the rain gear

Remember these are Boy Scouts... not the military. The Marines don't have to answer to mom when her son comes home soggy and with a head cold....we do

Okay, since this topic is active again I'll add another comment.

A shirt bought 10 years ago may still be good today. But I highly doubt a shirt bought today will still be useable 10 years hence.

On the subject of what uniform to where when...

Why do the scouts have a "dress" uniform??

Look at the history of scouting... uniforms from way back were practical, functional, AND served as the dress uniform.

Why do we have to have a fancy perma-press type get-up when functionality seems more appropriate?

My answer? The guys running the head office needed a fancy outfit. Office guru's need to look like office guru's.

Swell... but the rest of use would like something a bit more pratical.

My solution? Make a practical, durable, outdoor scout uniform. Make it affordable! Make it be the "standard" uniform.... then offer the perma-press stuff to those that want to wear something more office like. Like the nifty blue blazers you only see once in a great while.

My guess is that only the adults working in council and national offices will be buying the "suit" stuff... - and everyone else would be after the more useable gear.

Lets go back to the days when the uniform was useable! (though we can skip the spats and bloused pants )

I would feel just as proud sitting at a COH in a functional scout uniform as I do in my ill-fitting class A's.

That I would be uniformed as a Scout (or in my case Scouter) would be all the "fancy" I need!!

FIRE MOUNTAIN SCOUT CAMP

That would be near Mt. Vernon, Washington (as in the Evergreen Stat)

http://www.firemtn.org/

I would contact the local base - not the recruiter. The base will be able to hook you up with the exisiting support network and put you to use where most needed.

You can also try military.com forums and ask around - keep in mind its an open internet site.

Also, in you efforts don't forget the Coast Guard. There are several USCG ships and small units over in the gulf and they don't get nearly the amount of recoginition the other services do. They also don't tend to have the large support networks of the larger services. Many of those Coasties have stateside families that could use some help.

Just thought I'd share this info on a training opp. Just call for more info!

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DATES

August 25th-30th

LOCATION

Camp Black Mountain- Near Bellingham, WA.

COST

$200.00 (minimum $50.00 deposit due with the application, balance due by April 1, 2003).

INFORMATION

The Powder Horn course is designed to introduce and expose Venturing and Boy Scouting ADULT UNIT LEADERS to the activities and resources necessary to operate a successful outdoor / high adventure unit-level program. It is an opportunity for adult leaders to get out of the box in finding and using resources and in the way they lead their unit-level high adventure programs. The course is designed to introduce the participants to high adventure disciplines with many hands-on segments.

The course is designed to help unit-level adult leader to:

Learn what resources are available to support a high adventure program.

Learn where to find the resources

Learn how to use the resources

Learn how to safely do a high adventure program

Learn what is involved with different high adventure disciplines

The course covers the core requirements and a majority of the electives for the Venturing Ranger Award plus additional program development information, (download official flyer in MSWord or PDF for an outline of courses).

Participant qualifications:

Must be a registered adult member of the Boy Scouts of America.

Must have completed Adult Venturing Leader Basic Training (for Venturing Adults) or Boy Scout Leader Specific Training (for Boy Scouting Adults) prior to attending the Powder Horn course.

Be able to meet the physical requirements of BSA Class III physical in a backcountry environment.

The local 2003 Powder Horn course is sponsored by the Mt. Baker Council and will be conducted at its ideally situated Camp Black Mountain in the North Cascades just minutes away from Mt. Baker. This venue has everything necessary either at the camp or in the immediate vicinity to cover all of the core requirements and the electives, with a hands-on experience for the majority of the electives. The course will be held August 25 30, 2003. Participant fees are $200.00 (minimum $50.00 deposit due with the application, balance due by April 1, 2003).

You can download an application in MSWord or PDF at http://mtbakerbsa.org/training/

or visit the web site www.powderhorn-bsa.org.

Additionally you can contact Richard Sage, Course Director, at dicksage@interserv.com, sager@soundtransit.org, (360) 794-4923 or (206) 398-5226.

heres a couple links to get an idea of what the uniform looks like

http://www.olympus.net/ftworden/_borders/FW200214.jpg

http://www.olympus.net/ftworden/_borders/P0002223.JPG

http://www.olympus.net/ftworden/_borders/FW200220.jpg

and maybe this has been discussed before...

but has anyone seen the green and tan uniforms that state park rangers wear? (at least in Washington state)

DS was meeting with rangers today while making plans for his Eagle project. I just couldn't get over how similar their uniforms are to scouts and how comfortable and practical they look. (unlike the actual scout uniform....)

Decent cut with room to move around - fabric that wont tear the first time it catches on something. Great side cargo pockets in the pants. The shirts even have epaulets.

Gee, you think maybe they were designed to be used outdoors?

Now, how easy would it be for BSA to contract with the same company? One excuse for high prices is the limited production... well, heres a good chance to increase production...

And the uniforms are non military - so we wouldn't have to hear those complaints either.

Think I'll get out my pen and send yet another letter into the great HQ void.

So, share with me some more knowlege...

Can/should adult leaders for Venturing who wear the green Venturing uniform shirt also wear the misc award knots they have earned? (I'm not talking a chestful.. just 3)

Believe it or not, its time to start planning for summer activities.

We're looking for a place to recommend to our parents as an alternative resource for less expensive uniform parts.

I know there have been some mentioned here before.. and we've already added eBay to the list...

but can anyone recommend other exchanges/sites/etc?

all help appreciated!

This one is for the Patch Police

Can a boy wear the tan shirt with green shoulder loops for Venturing? or is there some policy on this?

It was my impression that they are asking for ALL adults to go through the process - new and old.

This is the statement on the new forms:

"By submitting this application you are authorizing a criminal background check of yourself. This check will be made from public record sources. You will have an opportunity to review and challenge any adverse information disclosed by the check.

Please not the clause to challenge results. No one should get booted because of an error.

I'm another who thinks its about time!

Hi,

Does anyone know where I might still purchase a copy of the video from the 2002 NOAC?

My son went..

He didn't want the video at first, but now he asked if we could still get a copy.

Any ideas?

Please add me to the list of people who are thinking of this fellow.

I wish him all the best.

T.Reaves

Anyone know where I can get second-hand VENTURE uniform items?

DS got a full brand new uniform for his birthday - but he would like a spare. (The group he's involved with wears them a lot)

I would also like to get the green for DH since he's a leader...

any thoughts on a cheap resource would be great.

Oh, and btw, I tried ebay with no luck.

Post this on behalf of a Scout:

Hi all -

I am working on plans for my Eagle Scout project. I need some help designing a playground. I would like to make a boat and lighthouse for kids to climb on and play make believe in.

I'm requesting help with any of the following

1. any ideas along that concept

2. pictures of existing similar playgrounds

3. internet links for infomation

4. design help (any contractor types out there?)

I will be looking for help locally as well... but it never hurts to cover all the bases.

Thank you all much for your help.

Sincerely,

Cody ******

Thanks in advance. Have a great day!

oh wait..

I didn't list the part that made me actually laugh out loud in the store!

SOCKS - Venture type

Ankle $12.95

Crew $14.95

Long $38.95 - yes you are seeing that correctly, nearly FOURTY BUCKS for a pair of SOCKS!!!

I cannot believe that I just paid over fifty bucks for a pair of of questionable quality shorts for a Venture uniform. The price 46.65 + tax!!

If it were not for necessity I would never have done it. But DS needs them for an upcoming function and I could not find any Venture shorts in his size anywhere else.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Again, I could find better quality, better fit, and better price at the local outdoor store. Unfortunately they don't carry shorts in the slate blue/green venture color.

Regular scout items are pricey enough...

This is what I was looking at for a new Venture outfit

Shirt, green, short sleeve 30.90

Shorts, 46.65

Need something warmer?

Pants 64.65

They have got to be kidding!

These items would never sell for this price on an open market. Talk about price gouging. Guess they know they have a captive audience, huh?

that info is from

http://www.scouts-scotland.org.uk/index.htm

From the photos I found I'd say probably not. But heres someone you can contact

Information

Scottish Scout Headquarters is located within the grounds of Fordell Firs National Scout Activity Centre, Hillend, near Dunfermline. In addition to managing the affairs of the Scout Association in Scotland, the full-time Programme Executive and administrative staffs are a key resource, working with the senior volunteer team of SHQ Commissioners and Advisors in supporting Scouting at all levels.

SHQ is the main contact point for general and specific information In Scotland on all scouting matters not normally handled at Group, District or Area level.

Enquiries can be made by:

e-mail to admin@scouts-scotland.org.uk

Tel: +44 (0)1383 419073

Fax: +44 (0)1383 414892

(Note: outside office hours an answer phone service operates. Messages will normally be responded to on the following working day)

Camp Fire Mountain just a bit East of Mt. Vernon, Washington.

http://www.firemtn.org/

oops... guess I should read my posts more closely - its a one WEEK program... not a wee program.. lol

I've met many who will be involved in the camp and I've got to say I believe it will be a high quality camp!