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I apologize if this has already been discussed. I searched but couldn't find it. I know a boy has to be 10 1/2 or 6 months past 4th grade to receive AOL, but when can a boy start working on the requirements? Can they complete some of the requirements while working on the Webelos Badge? If not how long after receiving the Web badge can they start working toward AOL. Some of our boys earned the Webelos Badge in Feb, some are still working on it. The den leader would like to work on some of the AOL requirements over the next few months. Also can they earn a pin from say the mental skills group no

I've had people order popcorn and not pay. I just got to buy extra popcorn that year I've also had people in our pack damage popcorn. A case got backed over accidentally instead of being loaded in a car or their younger kid ripped open a pack and ate some. In all cases the family had to pay for the popcorn. If they don't agree with this let them know that selling popcorn was not mandatory it was THEIR choice and they need to accept responsibility. Our pack would not be able to afford to cover for them. I would offer a payment plan to repay the pack. Something to keep in mind for next year.

Our pack has 2 brand new WLs. They just got started in Nov. when we decided to split the first and second year boys. We have had a lot of problems with our 2nd year WLs and I have just about given up trying to help them. I don't think they are properly preparing the boys for BS. They like the spoon fed method of leading. After reading these suggestions I'm going to work with the new WLs to come up with a transition plan that will not repeat the mistakes the current leaders are making. Would this help prepare the boys for BS? The first year of Webelos work in Den meetings to earn the pins requi

We sell popcorn, not greens, but my son's order form is full of family members, friends, neighbors, business acquaintances, etc... If we had to leave our pack I would be very upset if someone from the pack started calling people from our order forms or insisting on copies of it. If we had left scouting I would probably understand, but a lot of the time people are buying to support the scout selling rather than the whole pack. Especially in the case of Individual Scout Accounts. No one NEEDS a tin of popcorn or a wreath. They are often not buying to support the troop, but because little Johnny

Thanks John. It looks like at least some of it was saved in the wayback site.

I'm looking for a website called the Virtual Cub Scout Leaders Handbook. It used to be at http://www.geocities.com/~Pack215/home.html On Oct 26 geocities stopped hosting free websites and deleted all its sites. Does anyone know if this site's information was saved and moved somewhere else? It had a lot of great info on it. It'd be a shame if it was lost for good.

The parents of the 2 getting AOL ARE the den leaders so they have planned meetings to last until May. The reason they gave is because the boys want to earn more pins. They already have over half of them. They have visited with a scout troop and the DL parents were unimpressed (it was apparently a very chaotic meeting) Before the visit the parents were not sure they wanted to go into scouts and the meeting did not convince them that their boys should advance into scouts. One also has a younger brother in cubs, so its more convenient to keep them together. The COR and I have tried to explain tha

I have a question about the length of the Webelos program and 2 different situations. 1. I have some boys that are getting their AOL in Dec. They or their parents more than likely have chosen not to cross over into Boy Scouts right away. Their parents have said they are going to stay in cubs until at least May and might like to do some pack activities over the summer and then join boy scouts in the fall. What are the rules about how long a boy can stay in cub scouts after earning the arrow of light? 2. We have another boy who will not earn AOL. This is his 2nd year and he has earned no a

Currently I'm an MC doing advancements and treasurer. For the last few months I've also been doing the CC's job. Our CC is also our COR and the head of our CO. The COR is considering giving me the position of CC. I have a great relationship with the COR and we are usually on the same page. A few of the DL's are causing problems because they don't agree with the COR and constantly challenge decisions that are made. They believe the pack should be able to make mistakes and learn from them instead of following the COR's good advice and succeeding right of the bat. They would like to use the commi

We are in the process of forming our pack committee. I know that we report to the COR, but are they a member of the committee and can they vote? We have a COR who wants to be VERY involved with our pack and some of the parents want to know if we're ever allowed to make our own decisions. I know the CO who is also our COR owns the pack, money, equipment, etc... But do they have total control in how we run our program or spend the money? What if anything do we get to decide for ourselves?(This message has been edited by rrelaljrksw)(This message has been edited by rrelaljrksw)

All our dens meet at the same time and place, so we have almost as many siblings as we do cub scouts. Last year the sibs sat in a corner of the room and played. This year we have a separate room for them. Parents that are not DLs or ADLs and older teen siblings volunteer to watch them. We each usually bring some toys that can be shared like crayons and paper, wooden train set, dress up box. On outings they come along and participate as they are able. We had a 6 y/o Kindergarten brother last year. We tried to let him participate with the tiger den, but mom said no he would have his turn this ye

I was wrong in my other post in the order of what tigers earn. We have done it wrong this year and last, I'll have to make sure we do it right next year. On the Bobcat page at the back of the tiger book it says "AFTER you have earned your tiger cub badge, you can work on your bobcat badge requirements. You must earn your bobcat badge before you can work on your wolf badge." So if I read that correctly the order for tiger is Tiger totem (paw thing) awarded at at pack meeting, the beads (orange, white, black) awarded at den meetings, Tiger cub badge awarded at pack meeting, the yellow beads awa

I just explained this to a tiger parent the other day. Borrow a tiger book and flip to the back. I'm thinking it was a page or 2 after the 5th section of achievements. I can't find my son's old one right now, but there is a page in the back that has the 3 things you need to do to earn the tiger totem (the white paw print to hang the beads on). Tigers earn the bobcat first, than the totem, then white, black and orange beads, tiger badge and then the yellow beads

Have you thought about the parent's taking turns leading the first few months? Since Tigers have to have a parent why can't each parent take a month. Provide the parents with the program helps for their month and offer them any assistance they may need. You might even offer to do them for the first month ONLY to show them how it's done. When we first started up as a pack, a great guy who was the pack trainer for another pack ran our first 2 meetings. He showed us how it's done and got us over our nervousness. It's kind of hard to jump right in if you have zero scouting background and no idea w

First off LOVE these forums. I'm learning soo much. Our pack is only a year old and we do not have a pack committee. When a decision needs to be made we discuss it at parent meeting or by email and then everyone votes on it. It's worked okay so far, but sometimes we spend too much time discussing little things. EVERYONE has a different opinion and our meetings can last almost 3 hours. We have 4 parent meetings a year. In reality though, most parents don't really care and the few that do make most of the decisions. SO I'm looking for a better way to run our pack. No one parent has volunteered t

Thanks for the info. I have a wolf, so I'll have to borrow a bear book to read. I have a Bear DL who wants the boys to finish the ENTIRE book and earn every possible arrow point. There are only 3 bears and I think this will burn them out. I'm trying to discourage her and knowing that they can't be arrow points might help. Last year her son was the only wolf and he did the ENTIRE book.

I agree as passionate as you may be to be the CC either you or your husband need to transition to a different job sooner rather than later. I turned down the CC because my husband was the CM. Parents WILL accuse your family of running the pack and disagree with a lot of your decisions just because you are in the same family. I love your passion, if you leave CC stay on as a committee member and try to implement your ideas that way. The CC and CM are a kind of check and balance for a pack so they really should not be married. Maybe adopting a set of pack bylaws would help. Search online f

"A Bear can mix requirements from electives and UNUSED ACHIEVEMENTS in any way to get the ten he needs for each Arrow Point." I have a question about the unused achievements part. I'm the advancement person and don't have a bear yet, so I got the above quote from an online source. Say Sammy Scout works on achievement 9 what's cooking. He does 9 a,b,c,d for his bear badge. I understand that he can't re-do a-d, but what about the rest? Is achievement 9 now considered used and can't be used for electives? Or can he later go back and do 9 e,f,g and count them as electives? If he can't go back and

I sure wish someone had shown me that link a year ago. It would have saved me a lot of time. Thanks, I'll hang on to that in case we ever need it again.

See my post under Small Packs for a comparison of achievements and electives for all 3 ranks by theme. We had 4 ranks in one den last year. There were pros and cons. Pros: all boys had fun, all boys advanced, younger boys made friends and enjoyed working with older boys Cons: Webelos had a lot of home work, more work initially for leaders to plan group themes, harder to adapt activities for multiple skill levels sometimes the tigers had have more help and Webelos finished activities early and needed a second project to keep them interested.

This is our 2nd year as a pack. We do the training and online orders for popcorn so we get the extra 2% added on to6 the 30%. We are hoping to increase our sales to earn another extra 2% So our goal is 34% commission. Of this 30% goes to the boys individual accounts. This can be used for dues ($100), camp, uniform, other scout expenses. We require a receipt from parents before issuing a check. Anything from the scout store is automatically considered a scout expense even if it's say a rubiks cube. Things not purchased at the scout store must be for an achievement, elective, or pack activity. A

Our pack started last year. We are a homeschool pack so we ran it more like a den. We had 11 boys and all 4 ranks. I read all the books and organized them into themes. We used these instead of the program helps. It required some work at home especially for the Webelos, but all the boys advanced by the end of May. Now we have 20 boys and have split them into dens. The dens are small and we all meet at the same time in the same room. Each den has a corner. I would say the best idea is to have a parent step up as a co leader of tigers and let them meet at the same time but split when appropriate.