Nessmuk

Thanks for the link and comments.. I hope they have a CD or DVD version since some of our DL's are "in the sticks" and don't have Broadband or DSL.. I have often taken my favorite resources and materials and burned them to CD for Den leaders..

Does anyone on the forum have any experience with the "Fast Tracks" pilot program ? It is apparently a pilot program designed to aid Den Leaders in helping boys advance faster. It has been tried in the MidWest and now my Pack is being asked to try it out. I am not a fan of "fast tracking" much of anything in Scouting but I am willing to give it a chance if I think its going to be good.. Looking for input from those who are more familiar with it. Thanks

So, Packsaddle -- You write that as if I did not know that. So you talk about leadership .. What gauge do you use to decide ( I guess you know them all?) that they are "good leaders". Does that include being a "good example"? Tell me why you think that "lifestyle" represents a morally straight and morally strong example for our boys? Answer that please. What basis do you use to decide that it is a positive (not even neutral - but positive) example? Example: 'OJ' was a great football player.. Does that write-off double murder? (remember he was aquitted). Being aquit

OGE I was using those things as analogies and examples to make a point - not associating them with the other poster. Maybe (i.e I dunno) MommaScout is one of those well intentioned folks I mentioned that just does not realise the long term consequences in our society of being accepting of deviants in our society and the BSA.. Either way, her acceptance of it chips away at the core (in addition to the rest whether intentionally or just out of ignorance (not knowing)).. Scoutmomma - I didn't call you "evil" so don't try to side-step the main points by making it look like you have been p

Alright-- My point is that both homosexuality and the pedophilia were considered deviant and perverse - at a time when our nation and even world's values were stronger as a whole. Due to erosion of those values over time by some calling themselves "progressives" and more people/society turning away from God and attempting to replace Him with worldy sciences (including pyschology) and all that "feels good" homosexuality has evolved into being accepted by larger numbers of people. It's called "normalization of deviance" and it happens at all levels.. What I am predicting is that if

Interesting situation.. Now with the moderator-edited post (which fundamentally is fine by me) one can't really be sure of what I said that Scoutmomma found so objectional .. This leaves it to anyone's imagination what I wrote in the post which really is somewhat biased against me now.. Because now folks are left to make up their own idea about what I said and judge me by that - as opposed to what I really stated. But hey, 'bias' is an increasing part of what one has to deal with today in the press, public forums, and in general when dealing with the Socialist element (in and o

The current BSA uniform has much room for improvement.. I felt that way as a boy scout 79 to 86 and still do - but understand "why" a bit better now.. I was disheartened to move from the green no-collar shorts as a scout.. All my patrol mates felt the same way.. We liked the single color green uniform.. BUT even given all of the technical and aesthetic problems I have with the uniform ... I still wear the FULL UNIFORM.. and voluntarily did so as a Scout too. In my experiences, the ADULT issues with non-uniform pants and the like (even the look-alikes) are ALL about being non-commi

Good post Lisa Bob -- Sorry if I offended you with my humor on the career thing.. I have issues with Poly Sci people (esp Prof's - another story if you dare want to PM) Now my 3MD "main money makin' duty".. I work for one of the several vast right wing conspiracy groups - getting paid to annoy left wing Scouters so bad that they'll eventually split off into their own organization and leave the BSA be. Naw - not really - Right now I lead programs for an outfit that builds and launches rockets with gadgets that most of the time do what they're supposed to do..but I guarantee my ne

Scoutmomma says " you may find James Dobson an authoritative source on psychology matters; I don't. He thinks homosexuality is a preference that can be "corrected" through counseling, a view that is rejected by the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Association of School Administrators, the American Federation of Teachers, the American School Health Association, the Interfaith Alliance Foundation, the National Association of School Psychologists, the National Association of Social Workers and the National Ed

Even with the raging debate about what constitutes 'manliness".. (I'm good to go with ole TR's version of it.) WHAT IS (or should be) important to Scouters is that we are in the business of helping to build boys into good men -- That does not happen naturally by just growing up - a "man" is not an "adult male". "Within My Power" I was searching the web for something else today and found this by Forest Whitcraft - "Within My Power" in several places.. I never read it before. Tis very good ..(am I still allowed to say something is 'good' or 'bad'?) Hmmm. might be a bit too judgmental I d

Acco4, I'm sorry that I keep forgetting that "it's all relative" with some folks. That's right you know - his values, her values, my values, Joe's, Bob's, Hitler's values, Mao's, Pol Pot's, Clinton's, OJ's, Ted Bundy's, BP's, Abe Lincoln, throw em all in there - all equally important an none are allowed to be labeled good or bad - What color state ?? Good and Bad are timeless.. Of course its natural to look at the olden days to be better.. because it's natural that the olden days could have been better - or worse - Depends on the specifics don't it? Generalizations don'

OK Scoutmomma, Sure there's arguments on both sides of this - admittedly , but I have been around enough and seen / lived enough to say despite any psych argument that the "good sense" rule has to be considered heavily - especially when dealing with psychologists and psychology websites AND authoritative references such as USA Today.. My 'disrespectful' attitude was not intended to be disrespectful, but to cut to the point that "puuulleease" means a-plenty to me when I hear it.. Would you follow the advice of USA today or a psychologist and let your hormone- pumped 12 YO son camp and s

My last comment on this thread ... Yayyy! The sad part is that we are talking "chump change" in both these instances with the HUD money.. If we were all paid $5/hour to bang away at this forum we'd have > 20X the amounts we are squabbling over.. BSA needs to forget public funding and get us all to pay to use this forum. !!

Gern - Your right! ain't the name of that law ironic? It's easier to visualize with the 2nd because it signifies a free man's last and ultimate resort to resist tyranny.. Folks in the UK are in effect slaves and many realize it now as they live in the view of a camera almost everywhere they walk. Lisa Bob - The erosion of our liberties and associated values at home are an important element of the the long term strategy of those "terrorists" who made the 9/11 attacks. Not to diminish the loss of life, but this ain't conventional as much as it's cultural.. Bringing it back to

Hi SctDad.. Thanks for taking you time to chime in and thanks for service in Iraq.. If you want to get a feel for the over/under issue , study the pics of scouts from the past and not-so distant past.. Then think about the practical aspects of the neckerchief that we wish to maintain as a part of a uniform.. - The uniform that is practical, conveys our heritage and looks the role. What I am saying is that the current set-up (and under the collar) are all about "parlour-scouting" and are very feminine to boot. About looking the same - that's good but it's still not "uniform". The cub blue

Why do people continue to think that it's "alarmist" to think that another group would actually subvert a movement or idea for which they hold great contempt.. Trevorum apparently has not met and studied, worked and generally consorted with the sort of elitist liberal types (and some who even claim to be "moderates") that I have been exposed to over the years... People act as though "conspiracies" don't really happen. If they don't, why do we have the word - and why do we use it to describe people who in fact do "conspire".. If it were my calling, (and I wish it were sometimes) I would

Oh yeah, and I too think Anne Coulter's commentary is 'on target' .and I agree about her attractiveness as well. (I.e. she's pretty hot). Speaking of Anne, here's a recent article on Men - specifically her father.. http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=229 A pre-Oprah world straight shooter.. Nessmuck

Scoutmamma Your comment about the homo-pedophelia connection being baseless is in fact BASELESS. Please attempt to back up your statement. The connection is not just everyday reasonable but makes perfect sense to me and most any man I have ever talked to about it.. What personal experiences of yours and/or research back up the lack of a connection. It's been a little while since I read "Scout's Honor..." by Patrick Boyle, but I recall several real cases in that book that made a clear connection between the two. Or are you going to reinforce my past experiences that when a

And we could take Lisa Bob's post as an attack on Pappy.. Or are only those who tow the party-line allowed to be funny?

"Of course it is; it's also completely legal." Just because somethings is legal , don't make it right.. Just because it's illegal don't necessarily make it wrong either.. We are all vulnerable to the risk of falling into an ethical wrong-doing.. Not even Scouters are perfect Merlyn. It's interesting that the one who does not believe there is a God expects everyone else to be perfect. like Merlyn here.. The difference is that people who truly "believe" recognize their fallibility.. I won't defend the unethical choices, but i don't know the facts of this case either.. I d

Hmm Pappy ..I recall that statement by Lisa Bob. I was scrtchin my head too. . Just what productive or culturally beneficial purpose is served by a "professional political scientist" anyway? Never even heard of anyone who called themselves a "pro poly sci" -- an I used to work in DC !! "That will be $2.79. Please drive forward to the window."

Another example (so typical of the Left) where those who claim to be caring and compassionate hosing up a perfectly great program that absolutely no Left-wing organization would ever take on and make successful. The attacks on the BSA by the athiest/homosexual nuts (technically sufficient terms) have hurt the inner city and under-served programs the most.. Leroy dude - you should pack your bags and travel on your own dime to run a soccer league in that state (wherever your from)... I just took out the words I wanted to use to describe you..but this is a rare situation on thi

Well, after reading all of this (and there's a lot here) the answer about a divison in the BSA is pretty obvious -- Of course it's coming - whether its 50/50 or whatever there are distinct "camps" here despite the spectrum of the many, many minor differences that we see in units.. The responses all combined- served to answer the question about the likleyhood of a schism as Pappy described based on my comments in another thread about "division". I was getting ready to say "It's sad" but it's just natural.. Division is as natural as nature and it would do Scouting some good to allow eac

GW -- You mentioned Carlos Hathcock! ... Wow! now there's some bio to study for today's scouts.. Some good books below... Much about being a "man" can be very well learned through reading great stories ancient and modern about great men.. These are the books the feminists/libs/revisionists wish to keep out of our schools... And of course our sons and other boys learn about being a man from US! and that is a great repsonsibility.. One of my favorite handbooks on the matter I keep reading.. "Raising a Modern Day Knight" by Robert Lewis - full of great and meaningful stories

This reminds me of the time I gave a Scout troop a tour of the facility where I work ( my boss knew I was active in Scouts, so he asked me to do the tour).. While talking to the Scoutmaster about various Scout stuff, I asked him who their CO is... He and the other leaders had NO IDEA - and proceeded to scratch their heads on it for a while still with no answer!! That was one extreme.. I have had some success with our CO in the last two years with the concept that the "Pack is their youth program".. We do a service project with them now twice a year.. Meals on Wheels - They cook the meals